Preferences toggle for Case Sensitive / Spotlight Search

hmgnsdhmgnsd
edited September 14 in Early Access

Why is the only search option in both 1Password 8 and Quick Access case sensitive when both 1Password 7, 1Password Mini and the iOS/iPadOS apps are not? Will case sensitivity be turned off eventually, or will a toggle be implemented? Also, Spotlight can still search 1Password results on iOS/iPadOS, will this functionality return to 1Password 8?


1Password Version: 8.2.2-40.NIGHTLY
Extension Version: 2.0.6
OS Version: 11.6

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  • PeterG_1PPeterG_1P

    Team Member
    edited September 14

    Hi @hmgnsd, thanks for contacting us here!

    Regarding case sensitivity: I'm not sure what the current specific plans are for this, but I have put in a request to the developers on your behalf to consider either turning off case-sensitivity or adding a toggle. 😃

    Also, Spotlight can still search 1Password results on iOS/iPadOS, will this functionality return to 1Password 8?

    Unfortunately I can't speak to this, as we generally don't announce features / functionality before any given thing actually makes it into the app. We're going with the approach of "under-promise, over-deliver" - although I will certainly note for our developers that this is something you'd particularly like to see. Thank you for letting us know! 👍

    Quick question: can I ask what's the virtue of this Spotlight-searching-1Password functionality to you (as opposed to something like Quick Access?)

    ref: dev/core/core#10082
    ref: dev/projects/customer-feature-requests/#908

  • @PeterG_1P Thank you for forwarding my feedback :)

    Quick question: can I ask what's the virtue of this Spotlight-searching-1Password functionality to you (as opposed to something like Quick Access?)>

    Muscle memory, consolidation of services running in my menu bar at any given time, concern over integrations with other apps such as Alfred, having too many similar keyboard shortcuts such as cmd+shift+C which is most universally used for quite a few clipboard managers already; so there's one extra step to resolve that conflict. Not to mention (I don't know if I'm in the minority) but I have a hard time working out which fingers to use to even action a keyboard shortcut, especially on a MacBook keyboard where with my admittedly larger than average hands having to twist into a carpel tunnel inducing claw to hit the above shortcut with one hand. Or I can create my own, which I'll probably forget, and if I need to educate someone else of it over zoom or IM explaining "my shortcut is different to your shortcut" is time I'd rather be spending pressing cmd+space or cmd+/ and using the trackpad.

  • PeterG_1PPeterG_1P

    Team Member

    Hey @hmgnsd, makes sense to me. Thanks for taking the time to explicate this for us. It was my pleasure to put in the feature request on your behalf!

  • Glad to have provided my perspective. After looking around at other password manager apps I’ve come back to 1Password and would like to give the new version, electron or not, a fair shot. And part of that is actually having the guts to use it and provide feedback. If you didn’t beta test, you can’t complain! Like voting

  • ag_anaag_ana

    Team Member

    Thank you for being willing to test @hmgnsd, we appreciate it :)

  • Dom_1PDom_1P

    Team Member
    edited September 15

    Hi @hmgnsd, without revealing any personal info, could you give me an example of a title you are searching for and what you typed into search?

    Search was designed to be case insensitive, so searching for "google" or "GOOGLE" would match with "Google" etc.

    It's possible that it doesn't get it quite right if the language used in app is not English, which is definitely something we'd want to fix.

  • @Dom_1P Does quick access take some time to index, or learn through repetition? What I was searching for was 'MacBook' however I only got a result by searching quick access verbatim, 'macbook' wasn't working. And my location/language/keyboard is English GB/UK

  • Dom_1PDom_1P

    Team Member

    We are still working on a solution for indexing. We have to be very careful with the sensitive nature of your data. So we haven't nailed that down yet. All processing is currently done as you type. We are working on usage based relevancy, so it will eventually learn as you search for and use items.

    Off the bat I wasn't able to replicate the miss for 'MacBook' but I will continue to test and see what I can find.

    Thank you for the valuable feedback!

  • Just to add to the conversation - I'm consistently finding myself having to go back to 1P7 to find the items I'm looking for.

    I'm pretty confident something's wrong with both indexing itself (not real full text search anymore - I think) and the fields that are being searched (eg. application names are not being searched at all I'm sure).

    Usage based relevancy is cool, but for sorting the items. Not sure how that's going to help getting them to show at all.

    I'm personally storing tonnes of items I'm using once per year or so - 1P8 makes finding them impossible - I'm concerned that usage based relevancy, if used for indexing, will probably make it even worse.

    Full text search over all fields, with reasonable weights set to certain fields is what I'd personally expect.

  • Dom_1PDom_1P

    Team Member

    Hey @tomekkopczuk,

    Could you let elaborate on what it is you are searching for and what isn't coming up? We also search different fields depending on which search you are using. Quick Find is limited to 8 items and appears in a small menu below the search box. Full Search (which searches every field) expands the results into the item list and will show everything that it matched.

  • @Dom_1P My most common issue I can put my finger on can be reproduced as follows.

    Simple issue that can be solved by smart indexing:
    1) Imagine "[email protected]" as the value for any of the fields.
    2) Type cat in the search.
    3) Nothing pops up.

    More complex, but just as common (for me) issue that cannot be solved by smart indexing:
    1) Imagine "[email protected]" as the value for any of the fields.
    2) Type cat in the search.
    3) Nothing pops up.

    All of the issues I'm having boil down to those easily reproducible examples really.
    In real life it can be me looking for bits of title, bits of account id, bits of the app name. Whatever I vaguely remember.

    --

    PS: Please let me choose to go back to immediate filtering over all fields in the search box in full 1P client. I know it's probably too far along to just get rid of QS and go back to the mini-1p-in-the-tray-which-was-awesome.

    I find Quick Search absolutely useless how it is now (multiple reasons mentioned already in different posts by different people, summing up - 1) doesn't work properly in the current nightly - focus / behavior / performance, et al, you can fix that, 2) it doesn't search through everything 3) it doesn't show me details 4) any action apart from "open and fill" takes more clicks - which is btw my least used option ever - I usually copy passwords / fields / TOTP - but I do often have more than one password field, hence I can't depend on the yet another key combo to remember, 5) doesn't show context-specific items right there at open).

    So when I open 1Password and filter there - what do I get - ha, search box behaves exactly like Quick Search.

    Let me filter the whole list like 1P7 did, right as I type. That was productive. I could quickly find narrow down to a couple, and by a few key strokes find the exact thing I need from ages ago, or from now. It was really good.

    Not even mentioning the fact that clicking on a vault doesn't have any effect on filtering the search - it's the dropdown thing that does it.

    I find all of this quite entertaining, as you kinda swapped the best of 1P7 functionality for worse UX versions for god knows what reasons. With twice as big fonts, but that's another story.

    Seriously, great praise for the engineers, as I mentioned before, great job making the best Electron app out there.
    But the redesign and product side of 1P8 IMO sucks big time, and I'm very eager to see how you get out of this mess :)

  • I know I am tagging on the end to an existing thread so hopefully I will not confuse things, but I am finding the search is not case sen sensitive but this has highlighted that tags are case sensitive, this seems very odd and very inconsistent to behaviour I see in other applications that use tags or keywords. Is there a plan to address this?

  • My most common issue I can put my finger on can be reproduced as follows.

    Simple issue that can be solved by smart indexing:
    1) Imagine "[email protected]" as the value for any of the fields.
    2) Type cat in the search.
    3) Nothing pops up.

    More complex, but just as common (for me) issue that cannot be solved by smart indexing:
    1) Imagine "[email protected]" as the value for any of the fields.
    2) Type cat in the search.
    3) Nothing pops up.

    All of the issues I'm having boil down to those easily reproducible examples really.
    In real life it can be me looking for bits of title, bits of account id, bits of the app name. Whatever I vaguely remember.

    --

    PS: Please let me choose to go back to immediate filtering over all fields in the search box in full 1P client. I know it's probably too far along to just get rid of QS and go back to the mini-1p-in-the-tray-which-was-awesome.

    I find Quick Search absolutely useless how it is now (multiple reasons mentioned already in different posts by different people, summing up - 1) doesn't work properly in the current nightly - focus / behavior / performance, et al, you can fix that, 2) it doesn't search through everything 3) it doesn't show me details 4) any action apart from "open and fill" takes more clicks - which is btw my least used option ever - I usually copy passwords / fields / TOTP - but I do often have more than one password field, hence I can't depend on the yet another key combo to remember).

    So when I open 1Password and filter there - what do I get - ha, search box behaves exactly like Quick Search.

    Let me filter the whole list like 1P7 did, right as I type. That was productive. I could quickly find narrow down to a couple, and by a few key strokes find the exact thing I need from ages ago, or from now. It was really good.

    Not even mentioning the fact that clicking on a vault doesn't have any effect on filtering the search - it's the dropdown thing that does it.

    I find all of this quite entertaining, as you kinda swapped the best of 1P7 functionality for worse UX versions for god knows what reasons. With twice as big fonts, but that's another story.

    Seriously, great praise for the engineers, as I mentioned before, great job making the best Electron app out there.
    But the redesign and product side of 1P8 IMO sucks big time, and I'm very eager to see how you get out of this mess :)

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