Issues with 1Password mini
When you are on a domain that is the same as the domain of a page you want to login to, 1Password mini does not work. It seems to think, "you are already on that page so don't provide any function." This annoying situation is very common. I should give an example, but don't have one at the moment.
When 1Password mini shows matching websites, if you have too many to show (like 3 or 4), you have to click to open up the "More" section. It seems that the ones I want are way too often thus hidden. I used to put a leading space in from of the main entry to bring it to the top. This no longer works. So I would like to either: (1) allow more entries in the top section. Why not allow 10 or even 20? (2) tell me where to change the setting on how many are shown; (3) restore the trick of using the leading space.
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Hi @jasimon9,
I think we can achieve your goal if we look at the website fields in your items.
I suspect they don't all exactly match the page you're trying to fill. When we compare we look at everything between the
//and the next/. I'm sure you'd agree subdomain.domain.com isn't the same as just domain.com but we also don't say www.domain.com is the same as domain.com - we treat these as different.Say I use Amazon.com as an example. Their login page is at https://www.amazon.com. If I visit that page and open 1Password mini I will see all the items that explicitly start with https://www.amazon.com. If I have items that start with https://amazon.com they're hidden as they're not an exact match.
So we split all of the matching items first on whether the full domain is an exact match. Then we split each of these groups into are they flagged as a favourite or not. After that we order each of these four subgroups alphabetically and it results in something that can look a little like this.
This is displaying the exact matches
This is the expanded list also showing the main domain matches.
If I change some of those so they now start with https://www.amazon.com then the list in that first images expands to show more.
Does any of that help at all? Instead of using a space in the title you can flag the item as a favourite by clicking on the outline of the star in the Item Details pane in 1Password. Hopefully you find some of that useful but if you have any questions do please ask.
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@littlebobbytables - Thanks for your response. Your explanation does give some insight into what is going on for my question #2. But it does not show me how to fix it.
For example, I have eight logins for google. Some start with www.google.com, others with accounts.google.com. When I want to login to Gmail, that domain starts with "accounts", and the 4 items that start with "accounts" show up. That's fine.
But when I want to login to Adwords, the domain starts with "adwords". However, Google redirects me to "accounts.google.com", and I do not get the right logins showing, but again only the ones that start with "accounts".
This may be a more specific issue with the way Google has created their "one account, all of Google" login page.
I do not believe you addressed the #1 question. That question would be far better with an example to make it very specific, so I will add to the question when I have such an example. In short, it seems if you are already on a website, not logged in, but not on the login page, that the login would take you to, then 1P does not take you to the login page. You have to close that tab before 1P works. Again, with an example you can see exactly what I mean.
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Hi @jasimon9,
I don't know the history here so it would be great if you could help fill in the missing bits. When you first signed up to Adwords did you log into a different log in page and is it recently that they've amalgamated stuff under account.google.com?
If it is, then the only thing I can think of would be to alter the Login items so they contain the URL for the current log in page. Unfortunately if they're all using the same log in page I can't see a way of having 1Password differentiate between say you logging into a gmail account versus Adwords.
You're right, I did forget to address question 1 - sorry about that.
I think I see what you mean. Using Amazon again as an example. If you're on their landing page of www.amazon.com and you select an Amazon Login item it appears to do nothing or more specifically, I believe it is failing to fill. If I'm on a totally different website and pick the same Amazon Login item it opens a new tab as part of what we call open and fill.
If I'm right a small change in how you interact with the Login item in 1Password mini will hopefully achieve your goal. Let me know what you think.
Instead of tapping the enter key on the Login item, which attempts to fill on the page instead of opening the actual login page, if you open the Item Details (the right arrow key if you're a keyboard user) and either click on the URL or use a combination of arrow keys and the enter key, then it will explicitly use the open and fill. Going back to Amazon. Say I'm on www.amazon.com, instead of selecting the Login item and it failing to fill, I bring up the Item Details bubble and click on the URL. It then opens a new tab at the proper page and proceeds to fill.
Please do let us know if that helps or not. You may very well need to wait for an example to test and see if it improves matters or not but we'll be interested to know what you think :smile:
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@littlebobbytables - immediately after my previous response, I did update my google logins. I had several that used www.google.com/accounts and several that used accounts.google.com. I made them all accounts.google.com, which works better and is what google intends. I made those changes because of your input, so thank you!
By the way, the reason for all the logins is that the query string takes me directly into the desired Google service.
Thanks for the tip on the item details when a login does nothing because you are already on the site. I will try that next time it occurs. Unfortunately, the workflow in that case would be something like the following:
- Try to use 1P mini to login.
- See that it doesn't work.
- Recognize that I am in this case.
- Open the details
- Click on the link.
Because I used another password manager for over 10 years prior to 1P, I was used to the fact "that it just worked" rather than having to go through the four extra steps listed above.
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Hi @jasimon9,
To help us potentially come up with a better solution it might help if we can understand the situations where this is more likely to occur. I can see why what I've written isn't optimal. The trick is to make sure the behaviour works across a variety of usage patterns and any oddness a site might produce.
If the next time you come across this you can let us know the URLs involved we can maybe learn about how you and potentially others are using 1Password and use that information to improve it.
For example, dumb behaviour would be to always open a new tab even if you're already on the right login page. As some sites encode all sorts of random stuff in the URL we don't want to be really strict in matching only that specific URL either. This is why I wonder if learning a bit more about your usage may help. We don't close threads without good reason so you don't need to urgently try and find an example.
Does that sound like a reasonable plan?
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@littlebobbytables Very reasonable. I agree that specific examples will be most helpful. And they are relatively easy to come by as it is not a rare thing. So I will send them as I find them.
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