First 1Password beta of 2️⃣0️⃣2️⃣2️⃣ 🎉

Thank you @dteare for bringing back QR scanner into the main app. But please rethink the current implementation of entries count.
Why do I have to scroll to the end of the list in order to see the count? Even if I don't have to scroll in case of shorter lists the count jumps up and down while switching categories. The counter has to stay in the same position and the standard way is a status area/bar.
Really all implementations I know of place such kind of status information in a static area below or next to the items that are counted. Even your first beta implementation used a static counter area below the list. Having to scroll in order to get that information is neither standard nor practical.

@dteare I am really surprised by your answer. All the applications I use regularly on macOS and Windows that use any kind of item counting use static displays outside the list. None of them include the count in the list, as that would make the display invisible most of the time. So why reinvent something that already exists? I agree that it needs additional screen space but why not just add "Show/Hide item counts" to something like a view menu like most other applications do?
I'm really curious about the alternative way you are mentioning.

Thanks!

I do like the new beta. However, I have a general comment on 1Password 8.
In 1P 7 it was possible to set how frequently the Master Password is prompted in place of TouchID. I think it was a clever way to force you to remember your password. Now this interval is set to a fixed 14 days, which is enough for one to forget the password, especially if it's complex as it should be.

I think it would be great to reintroduce the possibility for the user to set his own desired interval.

While scrolling to look at the Item Count, I noticed a few things -

• Page Up and Page Down no longer work.

• Scrolling is much slower than in 1P7. The scroll thumb lags behind the pointer as the list loads. 1P7 is instant.

• Scroll position is kept when changing Vaults.

  • But not in a useful way. I suspect that the scroll position isn't being reset when switching Vaults.
  • When viewing the 10th page of items in Vault A, clicking Vault B goes to the 10th page. But if Vault B only has 6 pages, it goes to the maximum 6th page. If you scroll up to page 5 in Vault B, clicking back to Vault A now goes to the 5th page.
  • I noticed this while looking at the Item Count, because it is necessary to scroll to the bottom again when switching to a larger Vault, but not when switching to a smaller Vault.
  • In practice this feels random and disorienting. I have no sense of where I will be when switching Vaults.
  • No Item is selected when switching between Vaults.
  • If you Tab to the Item list after switching Vaults, the list is scrolled to the top and the first item is selected.

• The scroll thumb doesn't update size and position immediately when changing Vaults. It updates when pointing to the list of items. This is most visible when going between large and smaller Vaults.

@ben typically you would just add an option to show/hide this information into a view menu. Pretty much every application on any OS does it this way if additional/optional should be shown or not.

@ben Although I had something like Finder‘s view menu ‚show/hide statusbar‘ in mind instead of an option in the preferences dialog/window in the end this information has to be stored somewhere. So basically it‘s just another kind of preferences.
I agree with you that the number of preferences should be limited. But how do you decide what is best for most people? AgileBits as a security and privacy focused company is hopefully not using telemetry data within 1Password.
Sorry if I might get slightly off topic again…

Kai

Just recently, I discovered there is again an item count. But it is well hidden at the end of each list, which is probably the most inconvenient and unintuitive location ever. I rather expect an item count next to the each container where the items are located, directly in view permanently. That means a number like "(123)" at the left column, next to "all objects", "favorites", and next to each tag, so you have an immediate overview about each category how big that category is. There is plenty of space at the right end of the left column for that number. Having to select a category, then scroll to the bottom of the list is extremely inconvenient just to get the information how many entries are there.

Apropos category: I don't speak of the built in categories, which is only some kind of filter. I speak of the real containers at the leftmost column.

1Password Version: 80500099, im Kanal „NIGHTLY“
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OS Version: Windows 10

Indeed. Item Counts were originally at the bottom of the window as expected in an earlier beta so it was always visible. And then for some strange and unknown reason they moved it to the bottom of the list where you have to scroll to the bottom to see it. Just the latest in a series of unfortunate UI decisions that AgileBits seems not inclined to address.

In my case the item count is a kind of reminder to clean up. I'm a software developer and part of my work is setting up VMs, test systems and joining forums :) . All of them require accounts and often additional data like attachments, a router or server config. I tend to put all of them into a single vault. The item count reminds me when it's time to clean up and what category is affected most, i. e. removing obsolete items, grouping some of them into a different vault...
It's a bit like working for years on your source code until it gets to messy. So you start to clean up, refactor, rebuild. One thing that helps to find the worst parts are code metrics. One could call them the software developer's item count ;)

I would prefer to have it visible all the time but this might be because I have an 27“ monitor so space is not a problem. On smaller screens it might become a problem. Furthermore having it visible all the time works similar to gauge… time to cleanup… really time to do something… do it now😁
Trash typically has some kind of automatic warning system… it starts to smell if not taken out for to long☺️

for me it is scrolling incredibly quickly and smoothly

I agree, that looks pretty good ... on your M1 supercomputer. :p But I think some of the effect is still visible. Are you trackpad-scrolling? It's more noticeable when dragging the scroll thumb.

It's most noticeable in person; it's harder to feel the latency in the video. There is a significant difference between versions.

https://file.io/WJJ0YSvK92gW

1P7 scrolling is perfect. It's fast and smooth.

1P8 scrolling isn't. The list doesn't "scroll", it goes blank and then items "load in".

Changing the "Hardware Acceleration" setting doesn't make a difference. I also started a few CPU-intensive tasks in the background, and interestingly, that doesn't make it any worse.

This is on a 2015 MacBook Pro. It's not the latest and greatest, but it's still capable of scrolling. :)

This shows a different scrolling glitch -

https://file.io/6j7HcWGkBFmb

Each time a vault is selected, when scrolling by dragging the thumb, the thumb runs away from the pointer. It gets to the bottom before the pointer does. It then behaves correctly until the Vault is selected again.

I wonder if this is related to height calculation, and if it's an interaction with the Item Count being appended to the list of items.