iCloud just syncs primary vault?

Zeitlupe

Hi,
I'm new to 1Password (5), running it on my iMac and a MBP - my iPhone should follow, but I have to buy a new one fist (IOS 8). ;-)
Everything's fine so far, but I wasn't able to sync a second vault yet. It's on my iMac but it never appears on the Notebook - and vice versa.
I'm using iCloud for synchronisation and don't have any clue what I'm doing wrong.

Thanx for any hint!
Frank

Megan

Hi Frank ( @Zeitlupe‌ ),

Thanks so much for choosing 1Password to keep your digital life secure and organized! I'd be happy to help you get sorted out here.

First of all, each vault has individual sync settings, so you will need to open Preferences > Sync while viewing your secondary vault in order to set up sync.

At this time, iCloud is only available for the primary vault. iCloud just doesn't offer us a way to store multiple datafiles or selectively share these datafiles with other users.

To learn more about how to sync your secondary vaults with Dropbox, have a read through our User Guide article: share a non-primary vault.

This should tell you all you need to know, but we're here to help if you have any further questions or concerns! :)

Domsware

Hi,

I organized my data in 1Password using multiple vaults to discover only primary vault can be synchronised using iCloud. Then I waste my time because there is not sync possible with iCloud. So in order to avoid other users to vaste their time please put a caution note in big red letters on the first page of the Multiple Vaults Guide home page. Futhermore, communicate on this restriction because it's a very important one.

As as an iOS developer I agree on the second part of your explanations — selectively share these datafiles with other users — but not the very first. Because this only concern the way 1Password store data and not iCloud features or restrictions. In other words, there is no restriction on the iCloud side to sync multiple vaults, only to share.

cpanderson

Me too. Just spent a bunch of time pulling out my company related logins into a separate vault to share with my boss. No joy. Please update your documentation!

Also, it seems weird that there is an option to add a secondary vault to wifi syncing but on iOS there's no way to add that vault other than through Dropbox.

Please give us more syncing options! (ie Bittorrent Sync).

rickfillion

Hi @cpanderson,

In the case of Wi-Fi syncing, the Mac is a server, and it pushes down vaults on demand to iOS. Wi-Fi sync in 1Password is very much a client-server model, which has all sorts of benefits, and a few drawbacks. The way to setup a new secondary vault on iOS that Wi-Fi syncs with the Mac is to create the vault on the Mac then add it to secondary vault syncing... then Wi-Fi sync with iOS.

Hope this helps.

Rick

cpanderson

When I add a second vault to the Mac and check-off wifi syncing for it, and then try to add a secondary vault to iOS the only option for the second vault is Dropbox. Also, the primary vault on iOS is syncing via iCloud. It would be very handy if each vault had multiple options for syncing.

rickfillion

Hi @cpanderson,

Unfortunately, to get the secondary vault to sync to the iOS device, you'll need to also sync the primary vault. You don't get to pick which secondary vaults sync to the iOS device... when you sync the primary, all secondary vaults checked on the Mac will transfer over. So that means you won't be able to do a mix of both iCloud and Wi-Fi sync.

Having multiple sync sources per vault is an idea I've been running through in my head lately to try to determine if it's either an awesome idea or a world of hurt. It would make all sorts of things possible.

Rick

Ralph Inselsbacher

I also spent a lot of time sorting my data into vaults only to find out, that they are not synced via iCloud - that's a huge drawback from the vaults feature :-(

Don't care about sharing vaults and don't want to open a Dropbox account just for a 1Password feature i won't use anyway, so please use iCloud syncing for secondary vaults.

littlebobbytables

Hi @Ralph Inselsbacher,

I've added your voice to the request for secondary vault syncing via iCloud but as you're aware for the moment it isn't possible. If Dropbox isn' an option then at least this thread will have made you aware that Wi-Fi Syncing now includes secondary vaults in case you had missed that particular improvement in 1Password 5.1 for Mac and 1Password 5.2 for iOS. You may have discounted it of course but at least you know the two current ways it is achievable at the moment. Sorry it isn't better news.

ref: OPI-1659

Ralph Inselsbacher

In other words, there is no restriction on the iCloud side to sync multiple vaults, only to share.

If what @Domsware says is true, i don't see the problem why it's not possible at the moment for syncing. Please clarify.

MikeT

Hi @Ralph Inselsbacher,

The limit is on our data structure on top of the CloudKit based implementation we built for iCloud Sync. We're not syncing a data file, we're directly managing your data with Apple's CloudKit servers and at the time we were building this, the concept of multiple vaults were not in the picture. That feature came afterward.

We have to overhaul the way we manage your data on CloudKit in a future update but there is no timeframe we can offer on when this might happen, it's not a tiny nor simple change we can make.