Watchtower Weak Passwords - different between Mac and Windows

btownguy
btownguy
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In Watchtower on Windows, I have 4 weak passwords. On Mac, I have 1 weak password. Just wanted to point this one out in case it wasn't logged yet.


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  • Lars
    Lars
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    @btownguy - without taking a closer look at your data, it's hard for me to say with certainty what might be causing the discrepancy. It could be something as simple as passwords having been created in different vaults, and not all vaults being available on both installations of 1Password. Or it could be a few other issues. None of them are critical in terms of your use of 1Password; if you are comfortable with a password's strength, there's no need to change it. If you want to change it, you can. The strength indicator is there as a guide, not absolute law. In general, anything over 23 characters generated in a truly random fashion gets you to approximately 128 bits of entropy, which is very, very good for today's needs -- and tomorrows, as well.

  • btownguy
    btownguy
    Community Member

    These are all in my personal vault available to both installations (Mac and Windows). They are all of the "password" category. They're just being flagged as weak on Windows but not on MacOS. These are actually expected to be weak (4-digit PIN for a piece of hardware). Just adding more info in case you guys want to use it for troubleshooting. It doesn't bother me too much. I pretty much ignore Watchtower on all devices other than MacOS.

  • @btownguy,

    if they're PINs then that would explain the discrepancy. We got requests for many years to exclude PINs from the weak password section of watchtower.

    Rudy

  • btownguy
    btownguy
    Community Member

    Any way to get parity in Watchtower across Windows and Mac? As of right now, I have 0 "Weak Passwords" on my Mac but I have several "Weak Passwords" in Windows. Both are running the latest version of 1Password 7 and both are a subscription only (no offline vaults) and both are viewing "All Vaults". The "Reused Passwords" is identical between Mac and Windows, so I'm not sure about the discrepancy for "Weak Passwords".

  • btownguy
    btownguy
    Community Member

    I guess I'm asking, is the Mac version of 1PW7 ignoring items of the category "Password" when testing for "Weak Passwords" in Watchtower?

  • JadC
    JadC
    1Password Alumni

    @btownguy the discrepancy is actually due to a recent change in our password strength calculation along with 1Password for Mac ignoring pins. 1Password 7 for Windows is still in the process of transitioning to the new calculation, so stay tuned.

  • btownguy
    btownguy
    Community Member

    Ah now it makes sense. Thanks!

  • AGAlumB
    AGAlumB
    1Password Alumni

    :) :+1:

  • rlh
    rlh
    Community Member

    if they're PINs then that would explain the discrepancy. We got requests for many years to exclude PINs from the weak password section of watchtower.

    This is nice behavior and I used to get annoyed with Watchtower complaining about PINs. But...

    It appears you are interpreting 4 numeric digits as a PIN when it could have been a case of stupidity/laziness on my part (maybe I just typed a few numbers into an account creation screen and thought, "I'll fix that later").

    An improvement I'd like to see would be for Watchtower Weak Passwords to tell me a PIN is a "Terrible" password and then force me to add a "PIN" tag to that item if it really is a PIN and I can't do anything about it (much like the Inactive 2FA approach).

  • AGAlumB
    AGAlumB
    1Password Alumni

    Good point. That's certainly another approach we can consider. Cheers! :)

  • XIII
    XIII
    Community Member

    I like the "pin" tag!

    In fact, I might apply it now, even if that won't do anything for weak passwords in the future...

  • AGAlumB
    AGAlumB
    1Password Alumni

    It feels a bit like a misuse of tags, but we're already doing this with 2FA, and unless there's a better solution this could work. It would be nice to have a more generic term to use instead of "PIN" since there's probably a lot of non-PIN stuff that people will want to exclude. Something to think about.

  • rlh
    rlh
    Community Member

    I agree that both of these feel like tag abuse. But the "correct" alternative would be some dedicated checkbox or something for each case ("Ignore this password" and "Two-factor enabled outside 1Password") that you would select for each item. This seems potentially unwieldy (from both the development and user angles).

    The nice side-benefit about the tag approach is I can quickly see all my 2FA or PIN tags and do an audit periodically so these items don't become forgotten security blindspots.

  • JadC
    JadC
    1Password Alumni

    Thanks for the suggestion @rlh, we will keep it in mind :smile:.

  • AGAlumB
    AGAlumB
    1Password Alumni

    @rlh: Well put! I agree with everything you just said. Thank you for your thoughts on this! :)

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