Family Licenses and Syncing

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drwho

Thank you khad. I've tried searching for how to downgrade to 1Password 3 for iOS but can't find any info on it. I suppose I can just install a clean copy and sync from the desktop app. I'll do this if there is no recommended procedure.
Overall, I have to say that this is by far the most useful app I have on my ipads and iphones and I've lost count of how many people I've converted to it. The selective syncing and local non-cloud/public server syncing would be very much a desired feature to have in the near future.

I have enabled beta builds on my 1Password 3.8 desktop application, would the usb syncing feature be available to test or will it be closed to a beta test group? If the latter, how can I join that group?

Kind regards,
Arif

MikeT

Hi Arif,

If you bought 1Password 3 for iOS, you'll find it in the Purchases section, please read this for more information.

At the moment, the USB Sync tool is in a private beta test within our private beta group to ensure we fix all the critical bugs first and once it's ready, we'll release a public beta for everybody. Unfortunately, I don't have a timeframe on this as it is still in heavy development.

The USB Sync Tool will be available as a separate tool, rather than blended in the 1Password 3 app for now.

Once it is ready, we'll announce in this forum.

Thanks!

drwho

Thanks.

khad

On behalf of Mike and myself, you are very welcome. We're very pleased with USB syncing so far, and hope to make it available more widely soon.

Thanks for your kind words and support!

SomeGuy

+1 for adding back wifi sync.

1Password is an awesome product. I use it every day and will continue to do so. Wish I could upgrade to the latest version. The lack of wifi sync is holding me back, though. Note I didn't say "USB sync."

The addition of USB sync is a fine thing to add and it will likely be of value to many. However, since I use WiFi sync between all my iOS devices and iTunes on the Mac for my non-1Password syncing needs, plugging in a USB cable between Mac and these devices for sync at all is not part of my workflow. WiFi sync always works flawlessly for me with 1Password v3. FWIW, I plan to stay at the version of 1Password that supports WiFi sync and hope that his feature will make it back into the products at some point in addition to the USB sync option currently under development.

Thanks for the great set of products and best wishes to the team for satisfying the needs of your diverse, demanding customers!

khad

Wi-Fi syncing never made it into version 4 since it was very brittle. You can review the Wi-Fi Sync Troubleshooting Guide yourself to see just how many things could go wrong.

And this list didn't cover everything as we still have customers with unusual network configurations and have never been able to sync via the old Wi-Fi method. It's very frustrating to the users and for us.

There are some valid use cases at the moment where direct sync is needed, though. For example, a really nice fellow from China emailed us explaining that the Great Firewall prevents all Dropbox access and he's been using Wi-Fi syncing as a workaround until the developers add iCloud syncing to me on Mac. We told him to keep using version 3 for now until Mac added iCloud support in the new year.

Then there's the user experience itself: even when Wi-Fi worked it was cumbersome. You had to start 1Password on each device and trigger the sync. If you added new accounts and forgot to sync (or remembered to sync one device but not the other), you'd be without your data.

For 4 years, all we heard about Wi-Fi sync is that it is a huge source of problems and disappointment for our customers. The developers rewrote 1Password from the ground up for version 4. There is no code shared with 1Password 3. Re-implementing Wi-Fi sync again was never on the list.

The iTunes Sharing is more secure than Wi-Fi sync and does not have any of its connectivity issues. It is less convenient though. So we looked at ways to make things easier and have now rolled out USB syncing in beta form.

If you cannot use Dropbox, you will be able to use iCloud in the new year when it's available on Mac. If you are unable to use iCloud and Dropbox and the iTunes File Sharing doesn't suit your needs, USB syncing is a great option.

We're always evaluating new sync options, and we are very pleased to continue to offer a solution via USB where you can sync without relying on a central server but without all the heartache that Wi-Fi caused.

If we can be of further assistance, please let us know. We are always here to help!

daharrin

Khad,

I'm evaluating 1Password now, and have been reading through the forums for answers related to the original post. I appreciate that your answers have been generally responsive and complete, so thanks in advance.

I'm trying to determine how 1Password would fit into my daily use, in two general ways:

1- I'd like to be able to sync my 1Password database among my work Mac, home Mac, and iPhone.

• If I buy 1Password for the Mac from AgileBits, do I need separate licenses for the two Macs?

• Is the upcoming USB syncing feasible in this scenario? How would Mac-to-Mac USB syncing work? I recognize how easily dropbox would handle the syncing issues among the three devices, but I'm also leery (like some of the other forum members) about not maintaining my password database locally.

2- Can you recommend a good method for sharing access with another user? (say, a spouse) It might be mayhem to try to use a single database among several macs and iOS devices. Is there a good solution for how to make this work within a family?

Thanks very much,

Dan

thightower

Hey Dan

1

This topic covers some of the licensing examples if you purchase directly from the AgileBits web site http://help.agilebits.com/1Password3/how_many_licenses.html In short if you are the only user then no you would not need a separate license for the individual Macs.

If this doesn't fit exactly you could always purchase from the Mac App Store and it would allow you install on all Macs you feel comfortable having tied to your Apple ID used to purchase 1Password. * See note below about iCloud.

AFAIK The USB syncing will not work Mac to Mac it would only work Mac to iOS. You may be able to do Mac to iOS and from that iOS to another Mac.

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My wife and myself share a single database, between 3 Mac's, 2 iPhones and 2 iPads. All through Dropbox. In all honesty it is the best all around syncing method. It is a fairly great syncing method we get updates from one or the other in pretty near real time. There is no need to quit the app and reopen it, changes just appear. etc. Rarely we may need to clear a machines cache to get a login to show up but I cant tell you the last time I had to do that. Its been that long ago.

• In 1Password 4 when it debuts will have iCloud syncing, that may also be a syncing option for you if you don't prefer Dropbox. If thats the case you would need to purchase from the Mac App Store as thats the only version that will allow iCloud syncing. However do note 1Password Mac is currently unable to sync with iCloud and you would either need to try the USB method or try the Dropbox method.

You are correct in that if you intend on sharing one database between multiple devices via USB sync. It could get really problematic.

I do have licenses to 1Password 3 from the Agilebits site as well as the Mac App Store and I prefer the Mac App Store version as it will allow the option for iCloud syncing when 1Password 4 debuts.

If you have any specific questions as to family syncing feel free to ask away and I will do my best to answer them for you.

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You database is always locally stored using Dropbox, and you always have backups in a separate location on your hard drive if thats your concern.

I cant say for sure but I think 100% of the team here use Dropbox,though I have a sneaking suspicion that a few may be already using iCloud. :P
The point being the team trust Dropbox with there data and I am sure they would not do that unless they felt 100% confident in Dropbox.

Having said that its always a personal decision to trust a cloud service.

I remember my way early days here when I was trying 1Password after moving to a Mac. I didn't want to use Dropbox I was leery myself. I tried and experimented with other methods at the time but that lasted a day or so. Especially after hearing from the guys about how seamless Dropbox was.

Thats when my love affair with Dropbox and 1Password began. Circa mid 2008

I believe in Dropbox and 1Password so much I am a volunteer moderator at both forums.

daharrin

thightower,

Thanks very much for your response. I wasn't aware of the family license, so that's a great help. You also make a great argument for using dropbox. I'll give it further consideration.

khad

On behalf of T. Hightower, you are quite welcome! :-)

There are just a couple points I'd like to elaborate on. Dropbox syncing is, in fact used by 100% of the AgileBits team.

From the moment we designed the Agile Keychain data format we ensured that it was able to withstand an attack should your data fall into the wrong hands, either as a result of a Dropbox breach or if someone physically stole your computer. As such, we use AES encryption along with PBKDF2 key strengthening to protect your sensitive data. Please do be sure to read our document on this:

Security of storing 1Password data in the cloud

As long as you use a secure master password that you don't use elsewhere, your 1Password data is incredibly safe even when stored on a service like Dropbox. If you're not sure about the strength of your master password, please do take review our tips for creating strong, memorable master passwords.

Last of all, I can't think of many better ways to show just how strongly your 1Password data is protected from sophisticated, targeted attacks than by pitting it against the pre-eminent password cracking tool John the Ripper. That's exactly what we did, and you can read about it in the aforelinked blog post. :)

I hope that helps you make an informed decision. Please let me know.