Will 1Password 4.4.3 for Mountain Lion sync with IOS 8.3 on iPhone & iPad?

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artboxink
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If I download and set up 1Password 4.4.3 for Mountain Lion, will it also sync with IOS 8.3 on my iPhone and iPad? (and iCloud also?) AND THEN, when I do finally upgrade my MacPro to Yosemite, will my 1Password info and settings transfer to the latest version? I do NOT want to get started and then have to so it all over again from scratch. NOTE: I cannot upgrade my Mac yet because I have photos to pull off this machine that have to remain compatible with two older ones running Snow Leopard and Panther and their old iPhoto versions (they never get put on the internet, so need to password protect that far back). THANKS, need RSVP ASAP.


1Password Version: 4.4.3
Extension Version: Not Provided
OS Version: 10.8.5
Sync Type: Not Provided

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  • Drew_AG
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    Hi @artboxink,

    Assuming you have 1Password 5 for iOS installed on your iPhone and iPad (which is the latest version, written for iOS 8), then yes you can definitely sync your 1Password data between your Mac and iOS devices. You won't be able to use iCloud sync, but you can use Dropbox or Wi-Fi sync. Those sync methods will still work when you upgrade your Mac to Yosemite and 1Password 5. You definitely won't need to start over from scratch with your 1Password data - at most, you might need to re-enable Dropbox or Wi-Fi sync.

    I hope that answers your questions, but please let us know if you need anything else! :)

  • artboxink
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    Thanks. It's good to know that I can do that; but I don't know what "Wi-Fi sync" means, and I'd rather use iCloud than 3rd party Dropbox. The whole reason I just changed from Android to iPhone is so that I could have it all sync over iCloud finally. So you're saying that Mountain Lion cannot do iCloud sync….but if I already have iPad and iPhone syncing together over iCloud, then upgrade the Mac and enable iCloud password sync, won't the Mac then just pick up the passwords from the other two?

  • littlebobbytables
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    Hi @artboxink,

    When iOS 8 and Yosemite were released Apple also released a major overhaul of iCloud called iCloud Drive but only for the latest OS X and iOS versions. Now iCloud Sync support in 1Password 5 for both iOS and OS X makes use of an iCloud Drive framework called CloudKit. As you may begin to surmise, this means that 1Password 5 can only use iCloud Sync between copies of 1Password 5.

    So unfortunately the only two sync methods compatible between copies of 1Password 4 and 1Password 5 are Dropbox and Wi-Fi Sync. 1Password 4 does have iCloud Sync support but it is the older iCloud and it is incompatible with the newer iCloud Drive. As way of example, there was actually a gap between the release of iOS 8 and Yosemite and many people jumped onto iOS 8 and made the move to iCloud Drive, not realising they were cutting off access for their Mac until Yosemite came along about a month later - Mavericks and earlier cannot access iCloud Drive.

    Wi-Fi Sync is a way of synchronising one or more iOS devices to a single Mac. It's mostly aimed at people who don't like cloud services but it will allow you to synchronise a copy of 1Password 4 for Mac with 1Password 5 for iOS. There are restrictions. Support for attachments came in 1Password 5 for Mac meaning Dropbox is still the more complete sync option. You could use Dropbox until you're ready to move to Yosemite on your primary Mac. Once there you could then move to using iCloud Sync only but you would have to have purchased 1Password for Mac from Apple's Mac App Store to do so. As of iCloud Drive Apple have limited access to iCloud frameworks to only those applications originating from one of their stores. For iOS apps it's fine as Apple is the only place to obtain them but our own AgileBits Store version of 1Password for Mac, while once enjoying iCloud Sync can no longer do so due to these changes. For a bit more information on the differences this page, Should I buy 1Password from the AgileBits Store or the Mac App Store? may be of interest.

    You may have several follow up questions so do please post back if you do and we'll do our best to answer :smile:

  • artboxink
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    OMG, more stupid cra** stuff from Apple again. If I didn't hate Windows so much I'd stop putting up with all of this silly "we do not support/talk to one another" nonsense. I though by now Apple might have moved past that and embraced cooperatively as a good value. Grrrr…beginning to wonder if this move to iPhone is actually going to be "it just (doesn't) work" again. smh Thanks. I'll try to digest what you wrote above, but honestly I don't know what to think. If I am going to use an iPhone, but rely on all 3rd party apps that work better (even something as simple as the calculator and the camera work better on Android!!), then why am I trying to use it at all??? #bangheadagainstwall

  • littlebobbytables
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    Hi @artboxink,

    Now it's true, limiting iCloud Drive to only the latest version of iOS and OS X did cause certain ripples of disapproval amongst many Apple fans but I suppose part of Apple's point of view is that Yosemite is a free upgrade to anybody running a Mac made in approximately the last seven years. Apple has always been pretty forward about encouraging people to the newest version. It can be tough at times but it's a stance Apple has never been shy about.

  • artboxink
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    littlebobbytables: Thanks for your previous very helpful explanation. But this one? pfffft "certain ripples of disapproval among 'apple fans.'" Remember what I said in my first post in this thread. I CANNOT upgrade yet or I'll lose the ability to offload old photos onto an ancient Panther mac I am going to use basically as a photo server for my Dad to look at his pictures. (A couple of OS's ago Apple 'kindly' made a change to iPhoto that caused this problem.) Other than that I think it's important for a company (meaning Apple, not yours) to understand that many people have other needs in life than constantly upgrading their virtual stuff, i.e., screw what Apple wants; this is about what I want, and need. I have an insanely complicated and exhausting life right now caring for 88-year-old parents with Alzheimers who cannot drive and live an hour away from me, and I just don't have the time or mental energy to sort out my virtual stuff and upgrade. Not everyone has the luxury to sit around and fiddle with their computer while living actual life. This kind of "you must upgrade NOW" crap is one (of the very few) things i just hate about Apple. My life is NOT about their wishes or timetable.

    But, anyway, sorry, really, this was not meant to be a rant or personalized towards you. Just something about the way you said "it can be tough at times" vastly underestimates how hard life is for some of us. This is not just an inconvenience. I am desperate to simplify and streamline what I do on phone and computer as I spend half of every week at my parents' residences, neither of which have internet access. Constantly typing in a long password to do vital legal and medical work on my iPhone is NOT conducive to a calm demeanor, which is WHY I looked into syncing 1Password across devices and programs/logins to assist here. I am disgusted not with you but with Apple again for being so out of touch with how little time people really have to devote to fixing up workarounds to a system they purport to "just work." Ha! Listen to me. I sound like some Windows fan(girl). Anyway, though, thanks for the help; I'll try to muddle through what you've advised. However, I am 63 years old and this is just not as intuitive or simple for me to understand as it may be for you. I didn't get a home computer until I was 45, and only got my first Mac at 54, so this isn't exactly a walk in the park for me even though I am miles ahead of some of my contemporaries. I'll drop back in here if I have any more questions after checking out your links. Thanks very much.

  • littlebobbytables
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    @artboxink,

    The fact that you know about iCloud and Dropbox and have preferences already tells me you're doing pretty well.

    I know it isn't your preference but it might be worth reconsidering Dropbox. It's cross-platform and cross-version support do make it the easiest way to sync multiple computers and mobile devices. It does require using the Dropbox client on your Mac but you get something like 2GB free and if you end up using it for nothing more than 1Password I can safely say you'll never worry about space issues. I won't say any more on Dropbox though as it may be you've made your decision and we will respect that.

    We'll see what you think of Wi-Fi Sync and if you do have questions then we will do our best to help :smile:

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