1password mini password generator

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Alael
Alael
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edited October 2015 in Mac

Hello,

i have been using the password generator quite a bit lately yet since sometime i noticed that the 1 password mini automatically create an entry with the current website when you copy the generated password,

Now i don't know you but i really hope there is a way to disable this new feature which i am sorry to say is idiotic at least,

I don't know but i don't like that abilebits make too many assumption ( i am looking at you backup feature) it may be their software but in the end its their customers who use it and in the end pay the staff salary so you may want to hang on them,


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  • littlebobbytables
    littlebobbytables
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    Hi @Alael,

    Just to clarify, you don't want 1Password to store a copy of a generated password?

    The intent is to ensure you have a safety net. If you click the Fill button and something goes wrong at least you know you have a copy of the password safely stored in a Password item. We store the URL to more readily allow the user to know where an item was created rather than than the more vague title of Firefox or Safari which wouldn't really be informative.

    If you then save a new Login item though the Password item should be converted to a Login item and the additional details recorded. There isn't a way currently to turn this feature off but then we've never had anybody ask to do so either, mostly people want this when they didn't know it already existed.

    We try to be responsive to our customer's requests while also doing our best to ensure the safety of your data. You clearly are passionate about these two examples although I don't feel like I understand the why yet.

  • Alael
    Alael
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    edited October 2015
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    Hi,

    I often have a webpage in the background and use the password generator on other non web application or other computer therefore saying the password automatically on the current website is not very useful.

    Additionally i never use the ''fill'' button but i select the password field and CMD+c and CMD+v o the target why is this auto save function enabled everywhere why you don't put an option in the password generator button (the dropdown menu) with something like copy but don't save or such, Or why there isn't a checkbox somewhere where i can uncheck something like ''disable auto password saving when using the password generator''

  • Alael
    Alael
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    edited October 2015
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    Is such things too hard really to mind when creating a feature?, I have my database ridden of junk entry thanks to this, Additionally the ''we've never had anybody ask to do so either,'' is really an excuse i very very doubt no one here never had this problem.

    So for the in the future ill go back using keychain to generate the password at least it doesn't create junk entry without asking.

  • AGAlumB
    AGAlumB
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    Additionally the ''we've never had anybody ask to do so either,'' is really an excuse i very very doubt no one here never had this problem.

    @Alael: It's certainly not an issue I've encountered, but we can certainly consider your suggestion!

    But more importantly, many people appreciate this feature because it provides a failsafe if they have trouble saving a login — or simply forget to do so.

    Also, the space they take up is negligible. And ultimately what may be an annoyance for you is often very helpful to a great many people, and thus far that seems like the lesser of two evils. It sounds like perhaps you have been fortunate enough to have never been in the position of realizing you didn't save a password, but "One man's trash is another man's treasure", as they say! :pirate:

  • Alael
    Alael
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    edited October 2015
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    @brenty This function should have been in place at the same time or before you actually created the auto save function its decency that when you create a ''complimentary'' function you provide a way to disable it and not actually hard code it in your software (like the backup function) if you don't then its just an excuse because who write it was lazy,

    This feel much like showing something on your customers throat and i don't like it one bit.

    Just an example:

    An thankfully the remaining 45 line do not fit in the screen.......

  • Drew_AG
    Drew_AG
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    Hi @Alael,

    Thanks for the feedback! Like the others here, I've never heard anyone complain about this before, so until now, we haven't had any reason to think it was impacting anyone in a negative way. But obviously it upsets you that your generated passwords are being saved in 1Password when you copy them, so we certainly appreciate your feedback about that.

    It sounds like perhaps you've been copying passwords from the password generator since before doing so caused them to be saved as Password items? If so, and if not having them saved was beneficial to your workflow, I can see how it might have been upsetting to you when you discovered that behavior changed. That actually changed at least 6 or 7 months ago, and it really wasn't a new feature as much as it was a bug fix, as it should have been saving your passwords all along.

    To elaborate a bit on that, before that change, the password generator in 1Password mini would always create a new Password item if you clicked the Fill button, or if you clicked the ▼ button next to Fill and chose Copy. It should have been doing the same thing when highlighting the generated password and pressing ⌘C (or going to Edit > Copy), but it wasn't. Unfortunately, that led to some users losing their new generated password when they expected it to be saved.

    So, what you're saying is that you want to have the ability to disable that, so 1Password doesn't automatically save your generated passwords. That sounds reasonable enough to me, although I can't make any promises. What would help is if we understood more about the way you're using 1Password and why you don't want it to save your generated passwords. From your screenshot, it looks like you generate a lot of passwords in a very short period of time, and I'm guessing you do that frequently. To be honest, I don't think that's the way most of our customers use 1Password, so we'd love to know more about that. For example, if you're not keeping track of those passwords in 1Password, where are you storing them? Are you making lists of random passwords for another purpose and don't actually need to use them yourself? If you can help us understand more about why you wouldn't want to have those passwords saved in 1Password, that might increase the chances of adding a setting to disable that.

    Thanks again! :)

  • Alael
    Alael
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    edited October 2015
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    Hello @Drew_AG ,

    I do indeed generate many password per day, Often used in other application (FTP account Email or generic linux users) or even just web account that most of the time it's more convenient to set the password on the client and server and then forget about it as there isen't really any use to remember the password as it take 2 second to change it again,

    A simple example you set a FTP client to backup to a server you don't need to actually need to remember the password as it saved in the client and the maximum extend that you do ever need is to change it after a few months when it become old saving that password under a false name or address only create confusion,

    For example lest state that for the website google.com you create your legit log-in data into 1password then you generate a few password and you forgot the close the browser that you have in tabbed , You finish to do what you where doing and you maximise the browser again and you try to log-in into google.com again using the 1password hotkey, What will happen is that 1password will pop-up asking which from the legit and fake log-in you want to use as the software is confused because of the multiple entry.

    I can understand that many user can forget to save this password so you may want to leave this option enabled by default yet there should be a way to disable it if you do not want it, I don't think that the majority of your customers are 12 years old kid that needs babysitting, If someone disable the auto save function and fail to save a password its not like they can blame anybody beside themselves.

    Hope this gave you the idea of my point of view.

  • Drew_AG
    Drew_AG
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    Hi @Alael,

    Thanks for the additional feedback about that! As I mentioned before, your use case is fairly unique and different from the way I think an average customer uses 1Password - but although I can't promise we'll add a setting to disable the autosave function for generated passwords, I can certainly let our developers know you'd like to be able to do that.

    We really appreciate that you took the time to explain how you use 1Password! If you need anything else, please let us know. :)

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