How can i remove my default vault?

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dmestre
dmestre
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Hi,

I have 2 vaults in my 1password, one is synced with dropbox and is the only one i want to use, and the other one i think is a vault from icloud.
The default vault that's selected is always the icloud one but i want to delete this and i cant as you can see is the image i provided.

Default vault (called "Principal"): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/716078/Captura%20de%20ecr%C3%A3%202015-10-08%2C%20%C3%A0s%2021.34.29.png
Dropbox vault (called "1Password"): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/716078/Captura%20de%20ecr%C3%A3%202015-10-08%2C%20%C3%A0s%2021.34.40.png


1Password Version: 5.3.2
Extension Version: Not Provided
OS Version: OS X 10.11
Sync Type: None
Referrer: kb-search:delete vault, kb:icloud-remove-data, kb-search:change main vault, kb:move-vault, kb-search:change default vault

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  • littlebobbytables
    littlebobbytables
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    Hi @dmestre,

    You're right, we don't allow you to delete the primary vault and instead we'll guide you through the steps of How do I start over with an empty vault?. What you will be doing is removing both vaults and then only adding the Dropbox vault back.

    When you first launch 1Password it should find the Agile Keychain in Dropbox and ask for your Master Password.

    If you're seeing something like this but your password for the Agile Keychain in Dropbox isn't being accepted try clicking the part that is underlined.

    It may very well be we're not looking at the right location and the menu that pops up (see the image below) will allow you to select another.

    Does this help at all? Please do let us know how you progress and if you need any assistance please do let us know!

  • dmestre
    dmestre
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    Hi,

    Thank you for the response.
    I was able to change my primary vault using this method.
    It would be nice if you can change it in the app. Maybe you could add this to your roadmap. :)
    And if i may i will also suggest the following:

    • Remove iCloud data in the mac app
    • Manage the conflicts created in dropbox by using iphone app and mac app.
    • Force sync in the mac app
  • littlebobbytables
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    Hi @dmestre,

    I'm glad we could at least help you get the right primary vault in place.

    Now the Mac App Store version of 1Password for Mac can delete data in iCloud as it can access the correct Apple frameworks to do so. As of 1Password 5 though the AgileBits Store version is unable to do so as these frameworks can only be used by apps or applications that came from one of Apple's stores. It does mean that the AgileBits Store version shouldn't be looking at iCloud at all.

    To manually remove any old 1Password data from iCloud though you can do so from within System Preferences > iCloud > Manage.... If you see an entry in there titled 1Password you're safe to delete it as the only items that we ever store in iCloud are the sync container - nothing else.

    When you say manage conflicts, are you hoping for a dedicated window that identifies and allows you to select what to keep and what to discard? At the moment we simply store all data inside a custom section titled Conflicts that allows the user to then use the standard edit mode to decide what they are going to do.

    The way it should work with Dropbox is we watch the Agile Keychain and OS X notifies us when there are changes made to it by way of something called fsevent I believe. So under normal circumstances 1Password should be reacting well before the user would ever need to force a sync. I'm not sure how well this works or not though. Current tricks to force a sync update include unlocking your vault from a locked state or if you normally have more than one vault switching between them will also trigger a check.

    Does any of that help at all?

  • dmestre
    dmestre
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    Hi,

    Regarding the iCloud data i didn't know that, i think i opted to buy in your site because it was cheaper than the one in the app store. (damn you Apple :p )
    So that's because i cannot delete any iCloud data in the app.

    Regarding the force sync in the Mac app it's working as intended, but is strange to not have a button to force a sync like in the iOS app.

    Regarding the conflicts i'm aware of dedicated window that identifies the duplicated ones (you call it duplicados in Portuguese), but i'm assuming the algorithm behind that window is only to identify the same password used in different websites.
    What i'm referring to is a dropbox conflict, when my vault was syncing.
    Now i have the following state: Mac app 199 elements and iPhone app 212 elements.
    Both apps says they are synced, but obviously they are not.

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/716078/macapp.png

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/716078/iphoneapp.png

    Thank you for your support. :)

  • littlebobbytables
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    Hello @dmestre,

    You've understood the purpose of the Duplicadas category perfectly, it's a way of identifying sites that use the same password as by using a particular password on only one site you help to limit the damage if a site's security is penetrated and the bad guys get away with their database of users. Should they crack any encryption the site uses no other site is at risk. So the Duplicadas category doesn't identify duplicate items or conflicts that arise from merging - that's a very separate thing.

    The issue over Dropbox does need looking at though.

    The first thing to do is to double check and make sure that both are syncing to the same Agile Keychain.

    1. On your Mac open 1Password and in 1Password's preferences switch to the Sync tab. In the window it should show you the path to the Agile Keychain that 1Password is syncing to. Make a note of this.
    2. On your iOS device open 1Password and go to Settings > Sync > Sync Service. Just below the line saying Dropbox it will show you a path to the Agile Keychain that 1Password is syncing to. Make a note of this.

    How do the two paths compare? On your Mac it will likely start with your OS X username followed by a folder called Dropbox. Everything that appears after that though should be identical to the path in 1Password for iOS.

    If the paths differ we've discovered that two Agile Keychains exist and we can help you get both to point to the right one. If the two paths are the same it might suggest the Agile Keychain has become damaged for an unknown reason. Don't worry - 1Password maintains its own locally stored copy of your vault and the Agile Keychain is only the sync container. That's one of the great things about 1Password 4/5 over 1Password 3. With 1Password 4/5 we can remove the existing Agile Keychain and have 1Password create a new one. So either way we can try something. Let us know what you find and we'll take it from there :smile:

  • dmestre
    dmestre
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    Hi @littlebobbytables,

    The paths are the same. I only have one vault in my dropbox.
    I'm not worried about losing my data, i know 1Password manages that part very well.
    So may question is, do i have to go through all my passwords in the mac and in the iPhone to find the 12 that are not in sync?

    Thanks agains! :)

  • littlebobbytables
    littlebobbytables
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    Hi @dmestre,

    My preferred route is to delete the Agile Keychain and start again. This should force 1Password to merge the two local vaults in the new Agile Keychain. Here is what I would recommend.

    1. On your Mac launch 1Password and use the menu option File > Backup.
    2. On your iOS device open 1Password and go to Settings > Advanced and tap the option Create Backup
    3. This is your safety net. Now return to your Mac and open up 1Password's preferences.
    4. Switch to the Sync tab and change the sync option from Dropbox to None.
    5. In the confirmation window tick the checkbox titled Delete data from Dropbox and click the Disable Sync button. Don't worry, this will only delete the Agile Keychain.
    6. Pause for a moment to let this sync to Dropbox.
    7. Switch the sync option back to Dropbox and let 1Password for Mac create a brand new Agile Keychain.
    8. Pause for a moment to let this sync to Dropbox - it gets flustered if you rush it :tongue:
    9. Moving your attention back to 1Password for iOS it should say it has disable syncing as it realises that while there is an Agile Keychain with the right filename in the right place that it is a new one. The steps in Sync with Dropbox (iOS) should allow you to connect to it. If you see a big warning message about merging don't worry - that's exactly what you want to do.

    Once the Mac and iOS device have both finished syncing they should stabilise with the same number of items in each. If the vaults don't look right for any reason don't worry, that's what steps 1. and 2. were all about. I'm hoping though that this resolves the issue and that you'll be reporting back with success :smile:

  • dmestre
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    Hi @littlebobbytables,

    It was a busy week, so i could only test this today, and i've to tell it was a major success.
    Now i've the two apps with the same number of items.

    Thanks again! :)

  • littlebobbytables
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    Great news @dmestre :smile: Hopefully things run smoothly now but should you find any blips you know where to find us :smile:

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