15 minutes of use - some feedback

the current implementation is again like my last post. When we give you cake we will burn your existing bread. If you want to give quick access it's great. It's one more way of interacting and we can use it when we want. Thanks. But I like my browse experience on mini. Why are you destroying it for me.? Why is the philosophy in 1password 8 that you either take this or go Fxxxk yourself?

More Quick Access points (contains screenshots, they're carefully chosen, don't delete this post please):

• Navigating Quick Access by mouse is very frustrating - if I do a search for an item, and then select it so I can copy details or access it, there's no way to get back to the search list: The only way is to use the left cursor key, and that's not clear at all, and there's no UI that tells you to do it or implies it. You have to either just know it, or find it by button mashing, and that's not good. Mouse navigation is important, especially on Mac and Windows. Every action should be able to be performed with a mouse and currently you can't do that.

• While you're in the state of a selected item, you can actually do a new search in the background - it doesn't update the UI but the search actually happens. You can even open the results of the new search in new windows while you're in this state. Try it - do a search and select an item, edit the text in the search box, press enter, press down a few times and press enter again - you'll end up with a popup of an item matching your new search.

• If you have 1Password closed and open Quick Access, it does seem to float over other windows? If you have 1Password open and open Quick Access, it will generally appear where your 1Password window is. It can also get stuck reopening on the desktop you previously opened it on, even if that's another random window. This is super inconsistent and Quick Access needs to always open on whatever desktop you have active - it should never navigate you to a different virtual desktop.

• The same thing happens with View details in new window popups - sometimes they appear on the default virtual desktop, sometimes they appear on the virtual desktop you're currently on.

• Please consider using a view more like 1Password Mini than the current Quick Access view. This is more like how items appear in the desktop app, it's more like how items appear in the browser extensions, and it's like 1Password 7 works.
  You already have a view like this in the present browser extension:
  You can add more keyboard navigation to this style of view, and if anything it makes more sense - eg pressing right to select an item and move to it's fields or pressing left to go back to the list of items is more intuitive if you have the item list on the left, and the detail on the items on the right. This also allows me to easily see what fields the items have while just browsing down the list - if I have a lot of 1Password entries, such as software licenses, logins, etc, I can see a lot more detail on each item in this view than in just a list view. The current quick access view only really works for site logins, and even then I don't really think it's as obvious to use as 1Password Mini.

Wasn't that one :)

@tomjepp : There is a longer post at the top of this thread, posted by you.
"[...] Quick Access vs 1Password Mini: No matter how I look at it, Quick Access is just worse than 1Password Mini right now. [...]."

I wrote a long post here comparing Quick Access to 1Password Mini with an actual example of the UIs and the flows involved and it seems to have disappeared?

That's frustrating, as I put a fair bit of time into writing it as a comparison. We don't have the ability to delete our own posts, so I can only assume someone deleted it? I'm not sure why that would have been done?

Navigating quick access is a really weird experience, and the only ways I have discovered how to do so for now have been via random experimentation with random button pressing.

For example, I search for an item, and select it. That takes me to this screen:

From this screen, there's no actual clickable way to return to the search list and using the search box now does nothing in terms of updating the UI - but it does search behind the scenes if you search for something new and press enter it will open the first result for that invisible search. The only way to get back to the search list is to press left - and I only discovered I could do that by accident.

This feels especially weird to me as you've essentially rebuilt 1Password Mini for the browser extension already:

This version is vastly easier for me to use - I can get a list of search results and the details of those results in one view that looks a lot more like the main app - including the ability to edit.

I get the idea of making Quick Access primarily keyboard navigable, but I really question how many users actually do this, and I feel it comes at the expense of usability. It's a very different interface to the one you currently ship with 7, it's vastly different to any other part of the app, and the Mac is typically a very mouse-centric platform. At the moment in quick access there are actions (like returning to the search results list) that are only possible using a keyboard, and that just feels wrong.

Additionally I don't feel there's any reason why you you couldn't also make the browser extension style window more keyboard navigable too - even with a lot of the same keyboard bindings and it'd be a lot more visually obvious - eg with the list side-by-side with the details of a result, the idea of pressing left to return to the list is much more obvious than it is presently with Quick Access.

As an example, using Quick Access:

It makes it really difficult to use in particular when I'm focussing on another app - say for example I have a terminal up, and I want to enter some credentials. Let's say there's three pieces to these credentials - a username, a password and a 2FA token.

At the moment, I have my terminal full screen, and I hit the 1Password icon.

That gives me a menu, and I select Quick Access.

Selecting Quick Access moves focus to the virtual desktop with the main 1Password app on, or if it's not open then the primary desktop.

That removes me from my app, so I can no longer see what field I'm looking for easily.

I then either open the item in it's own separate window - which is still on the wrong desktop, or I copy a field.

I then return to my terminal and paste the field I've selected. I might have my terminal open three virtual desktops away from the primary, so getting back to it isn't necessarily as quick as one swipe.

I then have to repeat this flow for each field, and every time it takes me away from the app I'm currently looking at.

In 1Password Mini, that's a much simpler flow:

I hit 1Password icon and Mini opens immediately. It already has context so it shows me things I've saved or passwords I've generated from the terminal before. Most importantly I can still see the terminal, so it's easy to remember exactly what credentials I want.

I do a search for my credentials and copy the first field. I might pin the window open if I know I want to copy lots of fields. This still floats on top of the existing app I'm working with, so it doesn't take my focus away - it's quick to copy each individual field into the app.

Once I'm done, that's it - I might have to close a pinned window, but I don't have to remember anything extra to get back to the search results next time.

It's depressing that they took what was a great native Mac app and turned it into an Electron garbage-fire. If this goes ahead I will likely look elsewhere too.

The add new item window appears as an in-app modal window, not a real window. This isn't great because I do actually want to copy content or check other items while using it, and this no longer lets me do that.

When I have 1Password full screen and open an item in a new window I get no visible title bar and buttons when I mouse to the top of the screen.

Means that the only way to close that window is to Cmd+W,

Another issue:

When I find an item in the list in the main application and move it to another vault, it snaps me back to the top of the list. Really irritating.