1Password 8 - Non-native feel

Mirv : Oh, is it down to whetever the X ...? Sure?
Please have a look at all the posts in this section "Early Access" - it is FULL of critics, bugs, hints ....
Almost all general critics does not pop up anymore, sticks somewhere on pages 3, 4, 5 (because AgileBits thinks it is not important anymore and does not want to have shown it on page 1)

@claus In my Opinion the Early Access Forum is full of good Requests, Bug Notifications and good Feedback.
This Thread keeps regularly popping up on Page 1.

If you don't See "general critics" then the reason is that a lot of People have created new Forum Threads. AgileBits ist not hiding these Threads.
Please keep Up the good Work Agile Bits! V8 has still a Long Road ahead but I really Like it already.

@ejunkie : Yes, this one pops up - lucky. But others stay somewhere on page 4, 5, .... - no matter if someone adds a comment (it was like this, also others critiqued that matter). For me it is hiding critics.
You should also read also the posts from the beginning of "Early Access". Lots, lots negative feedback, lots of (former) users gave up to share their opinion. Many, like me, will use v7 as long as possible and then switching to a different app. And not only there, also in other Mac forums, where users talk about the new v8, the general critics (GUI, no local vaults, no 1Pwd Mini, ...) is very strong.
You know, AgileBits had a great app 1 Passwort version 7, with a great GUI, native Apple. They threw it to the trash.
And now with v8 we, the users, have to tell AgileBits what is not working well, what to make better (this is what you call "good requests", "good feedback"). These are in so many cases basic requests, basic mistakes AgileBits made in the GUI of v8. They know how to make it better because they have (oh, sorry, had) v7.
If I would develop such an GUI, my boss would have fired me already!

I am one of those 1PW veterans who doesn't mind 1PW 8. I don't like the idea of paying a subscription and Agile's offer was generous although I was very disappointed they didn't offer the same for family plans. Felt like a Mike Tyson punch to the gut :(

What I am really hoping for with electron is that 1PW's feature set and bug fixes will accelerate exponentially since the idea is (unless am I mistaken 1P_Ben) that the codebase is shared. New features, fixes, etc can be done cross platform much quicker than before. The dark mode on windows is beautiful although I'm hoping they clean it up a bit).

@mia - you're entirely correct; most of what we refer to as the Core codebase will indeed be able to be receive changes simultaneously across all platforms with little or no extra effort, allowing us to not only iterate faster, but as a result, have more developer and designer cycles available to move on to other things instead of expending them having to try to match functionality across multiple platforms. The result is the ability to deliver things like Masked email (debuted Sept. 28) and “Psst” (secure sharing with anyone; debuted earlier this month) on a much faster schedule. And to reply to user's feature requests more quickly as well! ;)

Hi @mia:

Regarding the promotion you mentioned, if you send us an email at support+tradein@1password.com, we'll be able to see what we can do for you. :smile:

Jack

@Lars - I get that it helps free up time for new features quicker, but I'd rather have native high quality apps than new features. 1Password already does everything I need from a password manager. Anything else is just a bonus. However, with the new Electron approach I no longer like the Mac application and will stay with version 7. If version 9 is a native application I'm staying with 1Password, otherwise I probably won't. Same goes if there is a security issue discovered in version 7 that won't be patched in favor of version 8. That's how much I dislike the Electron experience.

I'll give it to you that you have one of the better Electron implementations, but there are still issues that can't be solved with electron, like it feeling like a web app, menus not being able to extend past the application window, and the general feel with things such as scrolling behavior. I don't think I have seen any Electron app with elastic scrolling.

I have chosen to use Macs for many reasons but with a major one being the premium application experience both from Apple and third parties. The fact that all applications have a similar and familiar look and feel that just fits in, and that developers of small and large applications alike are paying attention to this. I'm sad to see more and more applications moving to Electron and similar solutions, but my way to deal with that is to find alternatives by developers who care about the Mac experience enough to use the native UI options available.

Also, as far as I'm aware the iOS application still uses AppKit so there still isn't one truly cross platform solution. I know SwiftUI has its limitations still, but I'd much rather see a Catalyst app than Electron.

@user12345 - I can't argue with any of the points you made, because they're matters of preference and prioritization, and you've clearly stated yours. That means they're valid by definition. I don't know that I think they're all that widely-shared, but we are always willing to listen to thoughtful feedback, and I'm happy to pass yours along.

@Lars - I am a customer like you. I use the PC, Mac, Browser, & iPhone versions of 1PW and have used it since v3. I am extremely merciless and brutal when it comes to 1PW's development as poor 1P_Ben and others on the support team will attest. It's because I love this software very much that I communicate with such passion. With that said, I've heard the negative comments about Electron and the arguments against it just doesn't seem that compelling to me. The app runs fast.... Very fast.

I get that it helps free up time for new features quicker, but I'd rather have native high quality apps than new features. 1Password already does everything I need from a password manager. Anything else is just a bonus. However, with the new Electron approach I no longer like the Mac application and will stay with version 7. If version 9 is a native application I'm staying with 1Password, otherwise I probably won't. Same goes if there is a security issue discovered in version 7 that won't be patched in favor of version 8. That's how much I dislike the Electron experience.

AgileBits needs to innovate or it dies. The new sharing feature is an example of a feature I think adds to their mission. I think the privacy.com credit card feature is useless because it requires an extra subscription and same with fastmail, especially since Apple is offering a similar service baked into iCloud+.

I'll give it to you that you have one of the better Electron implementations, but there are still issues that can't be solved with electron, like it feeling like a web app, menus not being able to extend past the application window, and the general feel with things such as scrolling behavior. I don't think I have seen any Electron app with elastic scrolling.

I haven't seen any issues with the scrolling. It's wicked fast on my PC. Is this elastic scrolling for Macs?

I have chosen to use Macs for many reasons but with a major one being the premium application experience both from Apple and third parties. The fact that all applications have a similar and familiar look and feel that just fits in, and that developers of small and large applications alike are paying attention to this. I'm sad to see more and more applications moving to Electron and similar solutions, but my way to deal with that is to find alternatives by developers who care about the Mac experience enough to use the native UI options available.

I know it's not ideal but I empathize with their position. Imagine coding for 5 different platforms. Each feature, each fix has to be applied to all these different platforms. I understand their desire for a more efficient workflow.

@mia - you're entirely correct; most of what we refer to as the Core codebase will indeed be able to be receive changes simultaneously across all platforms with little or no extra effort, allowing us to not only iterate faster, but as a result, have more developer and designer cycles available to move on to other things instead of expending them having to try to match functionality across multiple platforms. The result is the ability to deliver things like Masked email (debuted Sept. 28) and “Psst” (secure sharing with anyone; debuted earlier this month) on a much faster schedule. And to reply to user's feature requests more quickly as well! ;)

@Lars I understand. I probably would've gone the same route. The Psst sharing is wonderful, but the Masked email is shrug since Apple already integrated this in iCloud+ and fastmail costs more money. I would recommend AgileBits bake more of the stuff into the app or service itself instead of relying on an external party for future requests.