Electron

roustem That's a worry to know but thank you for being frank about it - can I ask what seems like an obvious question...why release it then? Its clear it is not fit-for purpose if it takes 5 seconds to load...

@jweitzman Thank you for replying!

If want to make a decision, I suggest to wait and give us time to work on the app. It is the very first public release and there are many issues that we know and want to fix.

At the same time, the early feedback is also super important and we already learned about a few features that should be on our roadmap. In any case, I hope you will give it a try and decide for yourself 🙏

gussic We already have many customers using macOS Monterey. Also, it is the only way to use Safari with 1Password 8.

Both Monterey and 1Password 8 are still in development, so hopefully things will come together at some point.

roustem I have to say, unless the RAM usage for 1P8+Extension can be made to mirror that of 1P7+Extension I'm afraid I'll have to cancel my subscription as well. I know one user won't make any difference to you, but I refuse to support businesses that strip away features and make things more resource heavy whilst continuing to charge the same.

I loved this App, and your company, but to say I feel personally betrayed by the switch to Electron, plus the clear performance problems involved with moving to a independent browser extension (when compared to a dependent one). I am genuinely sad.

Im also not renewing my subscription now that Electron is going to be used.

I for one like the direction this is going. While I have my reservations about electron I think this modernization and cross-platform support is past due. I'm not judging the performance and resource utilization too harshly at this point given that this is a tech preview and not even Beta. It seems to me that many of the people griping are just being the typical curmudgeonly users. The threats to move to dashlane are pretty hilarious since it is a terrible product. People can't exactly threaten to move to Bitwarden though since their app runs on electron as well.

Good job 1password team. Keep making improvements and you have a customer for life in me.

My other comment was deleted so I'll say again. roustem let's move away from "Electron Bad" and outline why 1P8 isn't along your teams usual bar. You want actual feedback on how to improve 1P8, here it is.

So here is a list of bugs/features that need to be reworked

1. No local vault (let's get it out of the way). This saddens me and many deeply. Ignoring the sub issue, not even having it sucks.
2. It's very difficult to change vaults now. 1p7 used your name to change them. It was brilliant and even showed what vault you're on. Now it's extremely difficult to know. If you have the vault tab closed you can't even tell except for the search bar font. Please go back to the original way. It's very difficult to navigate all of our vaults. We also need a visual indicator of what vault we're currently on. It's also just confusing to use it at all.... To switch to a vault I have to open the vault dropdown, but there's no "All" there anymore. You've put it way by itself above Favourites and Watchtower... Why is it over there??? It belongs with the other vaults.
3. The padding in 1P8 is way too big. It takes up massive amounts of room and somehow makes the app feel more crowded displaying less information. Please add dividers back on the table and shrink the padding on both the table and sidebar.
4. The "+ New Item" and other dropdowns being basically modals inside the main window is awful. I've posted pictures before, it's honestly really awful to use when you have a small window.
5. Quick access cannot be accessed when on a separate Desktop. It forced you back to Desktop 1, quick access should be accessible anywhere and the fact that it's not makes it a very poor replacement for 1P mini.
6. Quick access needs 1 click summon, I should be able to click the 1P menu icon to summon quick access instantly
7. No QR scanning (I know this is coming later)
8. There is a hilarious bug that happens when you open 1password on a full screen RDP window. 1Password gets sucked into the RDP window causing mission control to lose track of 1password. You cannot see or move it off the RDP full screen.
9. memory usage as you know ..
10. Watchtower is not caching or working properly. Every time you go into that tab, my CPU usage jumps and the tab is reloaded again. There needs to be some sort of smart caching or something to avoid this. Only refresh if I add or modify an entry.
11. Customize shortcuts (I know it's an issue already being worked on)
12. The setting preference being a modal inside the main window is very awkward to use. Please make it separate window, no other app does it this way and it's again very jarring to use on macos and frustrating.
13. touchID is not automatically activating when I summon 1P8. I have to click the lock icon.
14. You can't switch vaults from quick access
15. pressing ESC doesn't exit quick access once inside the "MORE ->" action pane
16. Quick Access doesn't show up on the active monitor. Apps like Alfred, and others always show up where you're looking. Quick Access again is ONLY accessible on the single Desktop, and the single Monitor. It's honestly awful to use.

So there you go. Real issues with 1P8 from someone whose used it now for 48 hours as a daily driver. Honestly I can see love was put into it but I'm honestly just not happy with it. A lot of people here are just screaming "Electron BAD" but there are reasons included above that ARE because of electron.

I'm copying my comment this time in case it get's deleted again.

My other comment was deleted so I'll say again. roustem let's move away from "Electron Bad" and outline why 1P8 isn't along your teams usual bar. You want actual feedback on how to improve 1P8, here it is.

So here is a list of bugs/features that need to be reworked

1. No local vault (let's get it out of the way). This saddens me and many deeply. Ignoring the sub issue, not even having it sucks.
2. It's very difficult to change vaults now. 1p7 used your name to change them. It was brilliant and even showed what vault you're on. Now it's extremely difficult to know. If you have the vault tab closed you can't even tell except for the search bar font. Please go back to the original way. It's very difficult to navigate all of our vaults. We also need a visual indicator of what vault we're currently on. It's also just confusing to use it at all.... To switch to a vault I have to open the vault dropdown, but there's no "All" there anymore. You've put it way by itself above Favourites and Watchtower... Why is it over there??? It belongs with the other vaults.
3. The padding in 1P8 is way too big. It takes up massive amounts of room and somehow makes the app feel more crowded displaying less information. Please add dividers back on the table and shrink the padding on both the table and sidebar.
4. The "+ New Item" and other dropdowns being basically modals inside the main window is awful. I've posted pictures before, it's honestly really awful to use when you have a small window.
5. Quick access cannot be accessed when on a separate Desktop. It forced you back to Desktop 1, quick access should be accessible anywhere and the fact that it's not makes it a very poor replacement for 1P mini.
6. Quick access needs 1 click summon, I should be able to click the 1P menu icon to summon quick access instantly
7. No QR scanning (I know this is coming later)
8. There is a hilarious bug that happens when you open 1password on a full screen RDP window. 1Password gets sucked into the RDP window causing mission control to lose track of 1password. You cannot see or move it off the RDP full screen.
9. memory usage as you know ..
10. Watchtower is not caching or working properly. Every time you go into that tab, my CPU usage jumps and the tab is reloaded again. There needs to be some sort of smart caching or something to avoid this. Only refresh if I add or modify an entry.
11. Customize shortcuts (I know it's an issue already being worked on)
12. The setting preference being a modal inside the main window is very awkward to use. Please make it separate window, no other app does it this way and it's again very jarring to use on macos and frustrating.
13. touchID is not automatically activating when I summon 1P8. I have to click the lock icon.
14. You can't switch vaults from quick access
15. pressing ESC doesn't exit quick access once inside the "MORE ->" action pane
16. Quick Access doesn't show up on the active monitor. Apps like Alfred, and others always show up where you're looking. Quick Access again is ONLY accessible on the single Desktop, and the single Monitor. It's honestly awful to use.

So there you go. Real issues with 1P8 from someone whose used it now for 48 hours as a daily driver. Honestly I can see love was put into it but I'm honestly just not happy with it. A lot of people here are just screaming "Electron BAD" but there are reasons included above that ARE because of electron

I'm copying my comment this time in case it get's deleted again.

@synacsyn

Ask me how I know you work for Agilebits.

Very disappointed that you have decided to give up your position as one of the greatest Mac applications in favor of cross platform focused development. With 1Password 8 you won't have an edge over the competition anymore for Mac users, and the competition isn't sleeping on the job, that's for sure.

Renewing my subscription has always been a no brainer, but going forward having a look around will be part of the process once the great Mac experience is gone. In fact, with the Electron app I likely won't be recommending 1Password to friends and family anymore.

It's sad to see you throw all your Mac legacy away and screw us Mac users over.