Electron

1P_Ben so does this mean that, even after the response from the mac community, that you're moving forward with Electron?

1P_Ben thank you and glad to hear that the default keyboard shortcut would be back.

I have seen the furore over the use of Electron for 1Password 8. To be honest, I am not a fan of Electron as well. However, I made the effort to try the new app and I like the UI/UX, albeit there are still some missing features. I understand that this is not final, so I hope to see some old features back again.

Having said that, I felt that the 1Password 8 is much smoother and responsive, especially when hitting CMD+E to edit an item when compared to a more sluggish performance on 1Password 7. Surprisingly, the electron app seemed to be much better than the native app.

I also see Electron apps as a UX disaster. All the important points have already been mentioned. Also true is the insane resource consumption.

VScode is IMHO the only usable Electron app. So I grudgingly accept the insane RAM requirements. But a coding editor is a special case that usually uses relatively few features of the operating system regarding the editor anyway. But when you come back to the elements around the editor, the pain starts again.

I've been using 1Password with a family licence for about 1/2 year now and one important reason for switching to 1Password was that the apps are native. I was willing to pay more for that. I can get a crappy Electron app elsewhere for less money.

I hope you come to your senses and keep the v7 in the race. I still have almost 1/2 a year before the next payment is due. It would be nice if by then at the latest there was a commitment to the continued existence of the v7 or a native v8. Otherwise I will definitely have to look for an alternative. Sorry.

I could have stayed with Windows for SUCH a thing. I switched to OSX after 2 years of Windows BECAUSE I want maximum consistency in the OS and apps. After over 10 years of RISC OS, I was so spoiled that Windows seemed like a traffic accident. :)

@shepstl

We're on day 2 of the Early Access. I think it is likely too soon to call very many decisions final. The closest I have to an answer is this:

https://twitter.com/roustem/status/1425556291557240839

Ben

@ben i can post tweets too. https://twitter.com/1Password/status/1400010832432582661

@shepstl

They later clarified that Tweet saying that the person who tweeted it was mistaken and also that native apps=desktop apps.

I can't say that the transition to Electron fills me with warm feelings. Used too many truly horrible ones in the past and nothing that I would consider great. VS Code is acceptable because of how powerful it is, and code editors are semi-unique use case, but it still isn't great.

Honestly, if the things behaves like a native app and doesn't burn a ton of resources, I wouldn't care what you write it in. Electron is just scary because of how literally zero Electron apps feel native. Some can get away with it, but that doesn't make them good.

I'm not going to knee jerk cancel my subscription over this, for lots of reasons, but really hope things are improved drastically before it is actually released. Even something like the menu bar app being native with a native mini-app would make things better than they stand now.

As an aside, I think the beta for Windows is fantastic, but that is because the old Windows app wasn't anywhere close to the standard set by the Mac app.

I'm not on Mac but on Windows, but I'm not happy too on that platform with the huge memory use. I switched back to v7 a few weeks ago, so I cannot exactly tell the difference, but as far as I remember, v8 has double or triple memory demands, and v8 isn't yet feature complete, so it will probably increase even more. And this for an app that is not that feature rich. For me, it appears as just being a simple app with a few text forms. And this will use 200 MB RAM? I consider that bloat. The app is fast and responsive, but it's bloated. It's not a main app, it's just a small companion that runs in background and will help you to manage your passwords.

Look at the Windows 10 OneNote App. The App needs 50-80 MB RAM, and I have a huge complex filled notebook open. The OneNote desktop app is about the same. This is what I call a sane memory consumption for a modern state of the art app of this kind. I feel 1Password has less functions than OneNote, but it occupies double the resources.

Consider every small app is using the same programming frameworks. Bloat everywhere. Do we all need 16 gig memory just for office-like work in the future?

Tertius Funny you ask that. Work just upgraded all the machines in the company to 16GBs so they could roll out Microsoft Teams.

I've been a 1Password customer/subscriber for 15 years and am extremely disappointed with the decision to move from a native Mac app to an Electron web app.

1Password has always been one my favorite native Mac apps because it's an excellent first-class citizen. I don't understand how you've taken hundreds of millions of VC funding and at the same time are scaling back your development work to focus on a web app instead of native apps.

I do not want an Electron web app - Slack, Discord, and Arq are all extremely frustrating to use.

Please change course and build a native Mac app. If not, I'll have to keep using version 7 or find a new password manager.