Too Complicated

Hi lerbi!

why would I need to know a password that I used with a long since deleted account, credit card or whatever in 2009?

I am not sure I understand what you mean here, can you elaborate? If you don't need any item you have stored in 1Password, can you not just delete it?

In the end, what I want is a simpler version of 1Password. Does something like I’m after even exist?

Yes, you can use the browser extension alone in your browser:

Get 1Password in your browser

It sounds like you don't need all the power of the desktop app, so perhaps you might enjoy using just the browser extension.

Hi @ ag_ana,

I think I know what lerbi is talking about, especially regarding the Passwords category. 1Password adds an entry to this category every time it generates a new password, even if the user creates or modifies a login with the same password. I've sometimes found that useful in situations where I had to generate several passwords, one after the other, to get one that satisfied the site's requirements. As you say, you can delete them manually, although I believe lerbi would prefer an option not to save them in the vault at all.

Hello ag-ana
The response that you received from Radoc is correct. I don't understand why the Passwords category is necessary to begin with. Certainly there are other, more specific, categories that already exist without the need to keep track of every password that has ever been generated in 1Password. For example, my Passwords category shows a password generated in July of 2009 for a credit card that was probably closed right around that time. The Passwords category, if it has to exist at all, should have some way to automatically delete (not archive) passwords generated after a certain amount of time has passed. Simply put, it's overkill. 1Password needs to simplify, simplify, simplify!

Have to say, on similar lines, there's one thing that I find not quite so helpful. One of the categories in 1P is 'Email Accounts'. I have all my accounts entered there BUT in most cases, whenever I want to log in using a mobile phone, I get the use details from 1 Password prompts and often there is only a list that I can scroll down (Log Ins I think) with no option to select 'Search 1 Password'. As such I end up creating duplicates of the Email Account entries in Log Ins which in turn increases the password count on the device and also gives me a a notification under Watch Tower of Re-used Password. It's not just emails that applies too. Numerous categories with the default cards containing info that you need but that also don't show up in the list of logins and if the app doesn't give you the Search 1 Password option, that's another log in you need ti duplicate. Surely it would be better if Search 1 Password was an option every single time, it would then be able to pick up the entry from the search term, rather than having multiple duplicate entries because it will only bring up a list of log ins. Or maybe I'm doing something wrong?

Hi lerbi and Chevalier:

The categories other than Logins, Credit Cards, and Identities are for items that either you don't need to have automatically filled in, or don't make sense to think about in the context of automatically filled.

For example, the Passwords category might be better thought of as the PINs category. Your gym locker combination doesn't have a login, but you'd like to store your locker combination in a secure field, or your alarm code at work along with the combination to arm or disarm the system after entering your code.

Similarly, if you have an email account that doesn't offer webmail, and instead requires you to use a dedicated email client and configure settings manually, a new item created in the Email Account category will have room for various IMAP/SMTP settings you would need to configure your email client.

This carries on to the Bank Account category and so on.

In your case Chevalier, as these sound like webmail accounts, the best place for them to belong would be in the Login category, as they're something that makes sense to be automatically filled.

Jack

@Jack Platten - The problem is that I have personally never entered anything in the Passwords category. However, there are 207 entries listed there. 1Password made those entries based on some criteria and unknown own to me. If you think a PINs (or something similar) category is helpful, that's fine, but why should I have to manually delete all of the unwanted entries that exist in the Passwords category?

Hi lerbi:

It sounds like maybe you've imported data at one point and something didn't go exactly right. 1Password can't automatically detect what is "good" or "bad" data, because it's encrypted. If you're confident that none of the items in the Passwords category are items you need, you can select them all (⌘ A) and then right click to archive them. They'll no longer be visible in the Passwords category, and if you don't notice any issues with accessing accounts in the future after leaving these items in the Archive for a while, then you can permanently delete them from the Archive.

Jack

lerbi Thanks for the reply, I kind of get what you're saying, but there are numerous instances where I actually DO need to log in with an email user name and password, probably not the best example but managing an Apple or Google ID is one where I am not using a dedicated app / email client to check for email but where the Email user name and password ARE the credentials that you need to use. To access that from 1 Password requires you to effectively create another Log In entry for that email address and it's password which will then throw up a re-used password warning in Watch Tower. In this instance it's actually not a re-used password, it's merely entered twice as there is no way to access email accounts as log in options from the list that 1PW provides. Deleting either one of them isn't really an option, delete the Log In entry and you can't access it from 1PW, delete the Email Accounts entry and you lose all the other relevant information.

It's not particularly helpful.

Chevalier:

Deleting either one of them isn't really an option, delete the Log In entry and you can't access it from 1PW, delete the Email Accounts entry and you lose all the other relevant information.

Have you considered adding a custom section to your Login item, with the fields from the Email Account entry?

Customize your 1Password items

I haven't yet. I suppose it might grate against my OCD LOL. There's an Email category in the app, I've GOT to use it. Another option might be to have all the security question stuff (actually I need to check, with 2FA now the norm, security questions might not even be a thing any more) in the entry under the Email category but delete the password and in the Notes Section (or add a new section called Password) then have a text entry 'See Log In for password'.