Comments on latest beta

I knew I had another bit to add:

Would you guys be willing to integrate the Apple Password Resources into your app?

https://opensource.apple.com/projects/password-manager-resources/?utm_source=pocket_mylist

It seems a PERFECT fit and it could provide some really great benefits to your users! Especially the one click access to the right page to change a password etc.

Quick access would also be great if you had an option to reveal a password for a quick glance at what it is and also a way to show a cut down view of the entirety of an items details in the window. Opening an item in a window doesn't quite feel right. I feel like quick access should be 100% accessible via the keyboard and if you use quick access via the keyboard but then have to switch to mouse input to view the rest of an item it feels a bit "against the point" if you get my drift?

Hi rctneil:

Thanks for your detailed feedback here! We're still fine tuning full-screen behavior and I was able to replicate your point 1, so I'll file an issue to see if it can be smoothed out in the future. Likewise for number 2. Number 3 is still an active design discussion, so I appreciate your input here as well.

As for Apple's Password Manager Resources, I'm pleased to let you know that this is something we're actively already using :smile: Both in changing passwords, as well as providing hints for our Smart Password Generator:

Jack

ref: dev/core/core#11857

Thanks for the reply.

I very much look forward to the fullscreen mode improvements.

I can't seem to see the change password option for my Google item?

Hi rctneil:

Just to confirm, are you checking in 1Password desktop, or 1Password in your browser? This functionality is only available in the 1Password browser extension at the moment.

Jack

Ah, no, i'm checking in the desktop app. It shouldn't (from a customer perspective) matter what interface to 1Password I'm using, all functions should be accessible. Apples Password Resources included.

There you go, another suggestion to add.

Also, please add the ability to use the password generator in the desktop app without it auto saving an item etc. A password manager app should be able to be used to generate passwords.

Not everyone can use the extension to generate passwords all the time.

I agree with all of rctneil ' s points.

Quite a lot of the passwords I create are not web related - ssh, terminal, db, app passwords. So why am I forced to open a browser to create a password or read a qr code. But even if I have to create a new web account I prefer to use the main application because I typically add notes or attachments to the newly created account.

This totally out of place 'X' top right in a macOS application really drives me nuts. If it's a window give it proper stop lights top left. If it's a modal dialogue get rid of any kind of close 'widget' and just use abort/cancel/ok buttons. AgileBits used to be a company that cared about its ui and platform integration without sacrificing one of them.

Items 1 and 2 regarding fullscreen mode on MacOS are still present in the latest beta.

This totally out of place 'X' top right in a macOS application really drives me nuts. If it's a window give it proper stop lights top left. If it's a modal dialogue get rid of any kind of close 'widget' and just use abort/cancel/ok buttons.

For real. And please stop comparing it to the Home app. Please.

An update to my comments for beta 80500079:

1. (STILL AN ISSUE) Start another app in fullscreen (eg; Tweetbot), then open 1Password from the dock icon or the icon in your Applications folder. The app opens on top of the fullscreen app (which isn't in itself bad but is a bit weird). The issue is that even though 1Password now has focus, the toolbar in the menubar still shows the menu for Tweetbot. Surely this menu should show the menu for whichever app is in focus.

2. (STILL AN ISSUE) If you use a four-finger swipe gesture on the trackpad to enter Mission Control and create a new blank Desktop space, then drag the 1Password window up and onto that new desktop space, the cursor just shows a no-entry sign icon and when you let go of the drag, the app just pops back to where it was.

3. (STILL AN ISSUE) If the app was in fullscreen when it was closed, then when it is reopened it should restore back to being fullscreen, it does not, it just makes the window as large as possible without being properly in fullscreen mode.

4. (STILL AN ISSUE) The close "X" button of the Preferences window is driving me insane being on the right-hand side when for consistency with MacOS, it should be on the left. OR, better still, make the Preferences window a real MacOS dialog window. That would help more due to it actually being moveable and able to be positioned outside the 1Password app so content underneath can be referenced for any reason.

5. (STILL AN ISSUE) Options made possible in the web version, from the Apple open source Password Management Resources are still not possible to be used in the Desktop app.

6. (STILL AN ISSUE) On a machine without Touch ID, using 1Password from a text field in a browser when 1Password needs to be unlocked, still causes you to be thrown over to the 1Password app for the unlock to take place and then throws you back to the browser. The sudden shifts in context are very strange and really mess you up, focus wise. It "may" be that I use my browser in fullscreen mode all the time but not sure. On a machine with Touch ID, it's a much nicer experience as the Touch ID dialog shows up and allows you to authenticate without massive shifts in context. Soooo much nicer. - Note: I don't think I'll be able to test this soon enough as my new machine is arriving in the next week!

7. One thing that's always bugged me about 1Password is how much it relies on the web addresses having HTTP or HTTPS. I know there is a difference, but most sites these days, the sites are identical and most redirect to the secure version so surely by putting in twitter.com, http://twitter.com or https://twitter.com, that item should be suggested for Twitter?

8. I store items in 1Password for family members, friends, and clients. These are logins to accounts that I do not own or have any control over. I'd like a way to be able to mark items that are mine so WatchTower can provide a rating that's accurate for me and not include any insecure stuff (like bad passwords, no 2FA, the account included in a data breach) from other peoples accounts or items. This is the number 1 reason I don't pay much attention to WatchTower:- because it's not focused on just the items I want it to be.

9. On the line of a password, you have the "Copy" button and a down arrow to signify more options. With all the horizontal space, surely some of those options in the dropdown could be made into actual buttons in the bar. I really HATE having to click the down arrow button and choose an option. Please just add them as real buttons in the space available and collapse down to the down arrow button when space is at a premium. As the "Copy" option is the primary one in this case, maybe the secondary ones could be slightly smaller in size to visually indicate that but one-click buttons really would improve the UX.

1. One big dislike (apart from not using Mac native controls) I have about Electron is that the windows / applications tend to resize with a horrible visual glitch on the right and bottom of the windows. This happens also with 1Password 8 beta. Can it be fixed and be smooth and silky? It's like the canvas has expanded but the content within doesn't notice until a slight bit later when it fills in the space. Fixing this would go a long way towards making the window fit in more with other apps (even if the controls are not native.)

2. The new QR code scanner. If using multiple desktops / fullscreen apps or even a multi monitor setup, if the QR code I need to scan is on another desktop / fullscreen app or monitor, it does appear to be able to see the code, let alone scan it. Is it possible for the scanner to be able to find the code in those scenarios?

Once again I will comment on my dislike for Electron but I have to admit it really is improving and very quickly too. However, it does still seem quite far away from becoming a stable release in my opinion. Great work to dteare and the team!

I will duplicate this post and reply to this topic after each new beta to keep track for me of which items still need resolving.

Many thanks,
Neil!