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Psychor
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3 months ago

Follow up 1Password 8 local backup thread

1P_Dave,

In your reply in another thread (https://1password.community/discussion/144712/including-my-1password-8-data-in-local-backups) you note "That being said, our database schema does change from time to time and you'll need a version of 1Password that uses the same schema as the old database from your backup in order to open and unlock that old copy of the database and view your passwords."

If one wanted to take the extra step of backing up their local files, would it be wise to also store with that local backup a copy of the latest version of 1Password, at the time of the back, which can be downloaded from your website?

Thanks.


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  • Psychor

    I've filed a feature request on your behalf with our Product team. Thank you for the feedback! 🙂

    -Dave

    ref: PB-45520553

  • Thank you 1P_Dave.

    It would be great if there was a local backup option, where the backups remained encrypted. Perhaps this request could be relayed up the chain.

  • Psychor

    I'm sorry for not providing a direct answer. You asked:

    If one wanted to take the extra step of backing up their local files, would it be wise to also store with that local backup a copy of the latest version of 1Password, at the time of the back, which can be downloaded from your website?

    I don't recommend creating a manual backup in this way but instead recommend relying on your 1Password account to encrypt and backup your data automatically to our servers. The regular installer from our website will always download and install the latest version of 1Password which means that the local cache of the database that you've saved may not match the database schema of the version of 1Password that is downloaded and installed by the installer in the future.

    If you do need to download and save a separate copy of your data then using the export feature would be a better option: How to export your data from the 1Password desktop app

    However, the export feature isn't designed for backups. Exports are saved in plain text and are not encrypted. If you do export your data then make sure to save and store the exported data securely.

    -Dave

  • Thanks for your reply 1P_Dave. However, you did not answer the question that I asked - if you could, that would be appreciated.

  • Hello Psychor! 👋

    Thanks for the ping! If you're using a 1Password account then there is no need to backup your vault since your data is already backed up to your 1Password account in the cloud. If you accidentally delete an item you can always restore it from your 1Password account on 1Password.com: View and restore previous versions of items

    If you're worried about losing access to your 1Password account then downloading and saving your Emergency Kit would be the best option. The Emergency Kit contains your Secret Key and you'll just need to remember your account password (or write it down on the Emergency Kit) to restore access to your account.

    -Dave

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1P_Dave,

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In your reply in another thread (https://1password.community/discussion/144712/including-my-1password-8-data-in-local-backups) you note \"That being said, our database schema does change from time to time and you'll need a version of 1Password that uses the same schema as the old database from your backup in order to open and unlock that old copy of the database and view your passwords.\"

\n\n

If one wanted to take the extra step of backing up their local files, would it be wise to also store with that local backup a copy of the latest version of 1Password, at the time of the back, which can be downloaded from your website?

\n\n

Thanks.

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In your reply in another thread (https://1password.community/discussion/144712/including-my-1password-8-data-in-local-backups) you note \"That being said, our database schema does change from time to time and you'll need a version of 1Password that uses the same schema as the old database from your backup in order to open and unlock that old copy of the database and view your passwords.\"

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If one wanted to take the extra step of backing up their local files, would it be wise to also store with that local backup a copy of the latest version of 1Password, at the time of the back, which can be downloaded from your website?

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Thanks.

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Psychor

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I've filed a feature request on your behalf with our Product team. Thank you for the feedback! 🙂

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-Dave

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ref: PB-45520553

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I've filed a feature request on your behalf with our Product team. Thank you for the feedback! 🙂

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-Dave

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ref: PB-45520553

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Thank you 1P_Dave.

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It would be great if there was a local backup option, where the backups remained encrypted. Perhaps this request could be relayed up the chain.

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Thank you .

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It would be great if there was a local backup option, where the backups remained encrypted. Perhaps this request could be relayed up the chain.

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Psychor

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I'm sorry for not providing a direct answer. You asked:

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If one wanted to take the extra step of backing up their local files, would it be wise to also store with that local backup a copy of the latest version of 1Password, at the time of the back, which can be downloaded from your website?

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I don't recommend creating a manual backup in this way but instead recommend relying on your 1Password account to encrypt and backup your data automatically to our servers. The regular installer from our website will always download and install the latest version of 1Password which means that the local cache of the database that you've saved may not match the database schema of the version of 1Password that is downloaded and installed by the installer in the future.

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If you do need to download and save a separate copy of your data then using the export feature would be a better option: How to export your data from the 1Password desktop app

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However, the export feature isn't designed for backups. Exports are saved in plain text and are not encrypted. If you do export your data then make sure to save and store the exported data securely.

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-Dave

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I'm sorry for not providing a direct answer. You asked:

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If one wanted to take the extra step of backing up their local files, would it be wise to also store with that local backup a copy of the latest version of 1Password, at the time of the back, which can be downloaded from your website?

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I don't recommend creating a manual backup in this way but instead recommend relying on your 1Password account to encrypt and backup your data automatically to our servers. The regular installer from our website will always download and install the latest version of 1Password which means that the local cache of the database that you've saved may not match the database schema of the version of 1Password that is downloaded and installed by the installer in the future.

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If you do need to download and save a separate copy of your data then using the export feature would be a better option: How to export your data from the 1Password desktop app

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However, the export feature isn't designed for backups. Exports are saved in plain text and are not encrypted. If you do export your data then make sure to save and store the exported data securely.

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-Dave

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Thanks for your reply 1P_Dave. However, you did not answer the question that I asked - if you could, that would be appreciated.

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Thanks for your reply . However, you did not answer the question that I asked - if you could, that would be appreciated.

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Hello Psychor! 👋

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Thanks for the ping! If you're using a 1Password account then there is no need to backup your vault since your data is already backed up to your 1Password account in the cloud. If you accidentally delete an item you can always restore it from your 1Password account on 1Password.com: View and restore previous versions of items

\n\n

If you're worried about losing access to your 1Password account then downloading and saving your Emergency Kit would be the best option. The Emergency Kit contains your Secret Key and you'll just need to remember your account password (or write it down on the Emergency Kit) to restore access to your account.

\n\n

-Dave

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Hello ! 👋

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Thanks for the ping! If you're using a 1Password account then there is no need to backup your vault since your data is already backed up to your 1Password account in the cloud. If you accidentally delete an item you can always restore it from your 1Password account on 1Password.com: View and restore previous versions of items

\n\n

If you're worried about losing access to your 1Password account then downloading and saving your Emergency Kit would be the best option. The Emergency Kit contains your Secret Key and you'll just need to remember your account password (or write it down on the Emergency Kit) to restore access to your account.

\n\n

-Dave

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