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Electron
This discussion was created from comments split from: 1PW8 for macOS.
cryptochrome "if you choose design over function (security, in this case), move on and look for something else that is easier on your eyes." Ah yes, yes...security.
Skype, Slack, other Electron-based apps can be easily backdoored
Adventures in Hacking Electron Apps
Security experts have discovered a vulnerability in the Electron software framework that has been used for building a large number of popular desktop applications.
Critical Flaw Hits Popular Windows Apps Built With Electron JS FrameworkJust because you insist something is objective doesn't make it the case and the burden of proof is on you to support your silly assertion. Just because a car propels forward doesn't make it a good car.
I think a lot of the people complaining that it doesn't feel native are mostly complaining that it feels slow and sluggish with the things I mentioned.
Lastly, I won't bite on your bizarre quip about "outrage" as it seems politically charged and inappropriate for this discussion.
@FCNV
What makes a password manager good is very subjective in many ways.
It's objectively not, though. I can understand people want nice looking apps that are easy to use, but the point of a password manager is not to please your eyes. Its point is security. The best looking "native app" password manager doesn't help you when the underlying security is crap.
With that said, the new version doesn't look ugly. People are just obsessed with the fact that "it has to be a native app", which in itself is completely irrelevant, as long as 1P does the same job as before.
Some people - and that becomes apparent here once more - live and breathe outrage. In this case, outrage over something as extremely insignificant as 1Ps change from native to Electron.
I understand their desire to go cross-platform. While disappointing, it is cheaper to develop and gives them a wider reach. What I don't understand is their willingness to compromise in the UX experience. They've heard it from every direction from Mac users, but I think it's something that would benefit all users.
Electron has a lot of rough edges, particularly related to things like perceived speed, window drawing, scrolling, animation, and fonts. If they are going to use Electron, they need to address those things so even if it's not the Mac-native feeling app we want, at least it doesn't feel gross to use. Otherwise, why not just LastPass?
With macOS 12's Keychain and password improvements (including support for 2FA) it's finally reached a "good enough" state. It seems like an even more important time to maintain an alternative to Keychain that has a clear value proposition, not dilute and diminish the experience as 1P8 does.
I work in software. I get the attraction and the efficiencies of switching to a single codebase and it's not hard to rationalize a switch to Electron. But building native apps used to be part of the cost of doing business on the Mac and it's sad Agilebits has decided it's no longer worth the investment.
I'm running the macOS 12 beta so I'm going to give Keychain a shot to see how well it works. Now that there are ways to use iCloud passwords on Windows (via the Chrome extension) it seems possible that 1Password may rebuild its way into irrelevance for most people.
(PS. History has proven that very few good things have come from the statement "we tossed out everything and started over from scratch.")
@petvas
Maybe for businesses this is not important (and it probably shouldn't be),
No, we need a good UI and slim memory usage as well. Most of my fleet is at 8GB of RAM and with pandemic spending limits, plus the global silicon shortage, it's reaaaaly hard to get upgrades. With every tool moving to Electron, I've never had to deal with so many performance issues. It's a damn mess. And business users are the dumbest of the bunch because one teensy thing goes wrong or changes, and suddenly the computer is an alien device from Omicron Persei 8 that requires IT intervention.
What makes a password manager good is very subjective in many ways. The reason many people use 1Password over alternatives is it has been polished and performant. This may not be important to you, and your opinion is still valid and valuable, but there has been an outpouring of feedback from users that find those things valuable.
@petvas
despite the very good back-end, I will not be using this bad app.
The look and feel is not what makes a password manager a good app. You're setting the wrong priorities. But by all means, if you choose design over function (security, in this case), move on and look for something else that is easier on your eyes. 1P can't please everyone.
