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blankspace

@skippingrock nails it. I don't care 1p8 is faster. Don't care if it's prettier, don't care if quick access is 'better' than 1p mini, really don't care the windows list sorts slightly different than the mac one.

The fact is all of these new 'features' are something I don't think any of us care about. The death by paper cuts of the features we DID use is long and impossible to do in an electron app.

I won't list anything skippingrock listed even though I agree with most. For me, no task bar icon with access to 1p mini is heart breaking. Add in no alfred integration, poor sidebar actions, lack of feature parity (I get it's a beta), no local vaults even for paying customers ...

Whatever, we will keep complaining even though we all know you're excited about the unified app. However we all strongly disagree with this update and I think you're destroying a massive reason for your success.

1P8 has literally zero advantages to lastpass, I just don't understand how you can possibly compete with someone who has more features, same price (at least to Canadians), and significantly bigger/more popular than you, when you remove the defining feature that sets you apart.

It blows my mind!

claus

@Ben & @roustem : Please, please do following: write a statement for your users! Why you will not stopp with v8. And why the important, the constructive and VERY DETAILED feedback and critics from your customer does not reach you anymore resp. you do not react and act to this feedback/critics! How can you still believe that v8 is still the good, better, best solution?!

Glark

From @blankspace: "For me, no task bar icon with access to 1p mini is heart breaking". Absolutely. Whole app is mayor of Clunk City but this is the straw on the camel's back for me. Bottom line is 1P8 sinks to the lowest common denominator feature set and it shows. Big regression and it definitely pushed me to other solutions.

DitchComfort

I really agree with most of the comments here, especially regarding Electron. I have already tested the “native” app from Secrets and Dashlane, just to keep up going forward, but my stomach hurts every time I try to use another app. I hope everything will look and feel amazing in the end :|

tiltowaitt

Please when 1P8 is released, release the iOS version of 1P8 as a new software rather than an upgrade so that users can choose which version they want to use.

Have they said that 1PW 8 on iOS won't be native?

Ben

​As it stands 1Password 8 for iOS is being built with Swift and SwiftUI.

Ben

skippingrock

@Ben 1Password 8 for iOS will be a separate download and install so that users that are not ready or not willing to migrate or subscribe won't lose access to their iCloud/Dropbox/WLAN Server standalone synced vaults, correct?

Ben

Correct.

Ben

PeterG_1P

Hey folks, we have an update to share on one of the points of discussion here. As of our latest Beta release (8.7.0-41), you can now use the Appearance options in the Settings menu to change the spacing of items in your list, as well as the contents of the sidebar. You can choose between Comfortable and Compact options, as @octothorpe88 suggested above. 👆

This option comes in addition to the ability to use the interface zoom option to make things larger or smaller, as well as the recently-added options to determine whether Categories and Tags are part of your sidebar experience.

(Oh, almost forgot: the team has also added new screens for empty states - like when you don't yet have any items in a vault - as well as added animations throughout the app).

We hope these changes are to your liking, and will look forward to having your impressions of them. Feedback from the community continues to drive our improvements going forward, and we hope this will allow you to customize the visuals of your 1Password 8 app in a way that feels right for you.

Cheers from the 1Password team!

https://1password.community/discussion/128543/beta-12-of-2022-is-now-available-️#latest

austin

Collection management is still a pseudo-modal, which means that it’s not useful for me—and makes this "flagship" feature something that I hate using.

I appreciate very much that preferences is its own window now. Thank you.

The appearance options are nice, but I still wish I could disable the ⌘-, ⌘+, and ⌘0 misfeatures. Especially ⌘0. I don’t ever want to change these settings outside of Preferences.

octothorpe88

@PeterG_1P nice! haven't had time to play with the betas, but happy to see variable density made it in.

rob

Collection management is still a pseudo-modal, which means that it’s not useful for me—and makes this "flagship" feature something that I hate using.

Thanks for the feedback, @austin! Can you elaborate on why the fact that it's a modal view makes it not useful for you? (Apologies if you've explained before. This thread is getting long.)

I appreciate very much that preferences is its own window now. Thank you.

Happy to hear it!

The appearance options are nice, but I still wish I could disable the ⌘-, ⌘+, and ⌘0 misfeatures. Especially ⌘0. I don’t ever want to change these settings outside of Preferences.

Do you find yourself hitting these shortcuts on accident or intending them to do something different? If not, why do you want to disable them?

austin

@rob The full hate I have for the modal garbage is in this comment. I mean, the fact that I can’t look at the list of collections I’m trying to build side-by-side with the vaults I’m considering including in them is reason enough to hate this (not all of the vaults in the accounts I’m on are well named).

Collections are, in the main, useless because they appear to be sorted by name instead of being reorderable. This matters, because the addition of a differently named collection or a new account will change the hotkey for a collection. The reality is that I don’t want want ⌘1 to go to All Vaults, I want it to be my primary view—which would be a collection of my choosing. Actually, I want that to be ⌘0, but "reset zoom to 100%" is bound to that because Electron defaults are stupid for anything except web browsers and maybe editors. Why do I want it to be ⌘0? Because that’s what it was in 1Password 7 (I know; it’s actually "all vaults", but "all vaults" defaulted to the list of "show these vaults" making it infinitely more useful than the dancing hotkeys and other inanities we have right now).

If collections are going to be the way of the future, lean all the way in to them and make it so that I can prioritize them above my accounts, if I want. Or let me have ⌘0 back for one of my collections because it’s infinitely more useful than "reset zoom". Or maybe ⌘0 rotates between collections rather than having dancing hotkeys.

The main shortcut that I hit "by accident" (that is, I’m hitting it on purpose because it should mean something better than "reset zoom") is ⌘0. But interface / text resizing is not something that needs to be on hotkeys, because I have only hit ⌘- when I have intended to shrink the interface where I want it to stay and I’ve never intentionally hit ⌘+ in 1Password. These are wasted hotkeys, especially now that zoom is trivially settable in a good preferences window.

Absolutely all of the electron modals in 1Password 8 should be purged with prejudiced. Literally anything would be better than that. Why not take a page from the only really good Electron app out there (VSCode) and lean into tabs or split view or both? I can’t think of a single thing that I would be doing in 1Password where I don’t need to have access to other parts of 1Password while configuring it. (I mean that quite literally. I know one password, which is that to my personal account / vault set. Every other 1Password account to which I have access has the password stored in, where else, 1Password. If I’m registering a new device or adding a new vault, I absolutely need the New Account thing to be a floating window or a tab or anything except an Electron modal.

rob

Thanks for the clarifications, @austin!

I personally like the zoom controls, even though I don't use them often. Being able to shrink an entire UI when I'm running out of space or expand it when my eyes are tired is pretty nice. I do this often in web browsers and in VS Code, and I'm not sure why it shouldn't be available in other apps.

I think being able to reorder/reprioritize collections and accounts makes sense, as well as your objection to the modal. Those things haven't been hindrances to my workflow, but that's why we're here. 🙂 That said, we're definitely early on, and "leaning all the way in" takes time. I hope we'll be able to turn these features into a delight for you in the future. ❤️

austin

I’ll reiterate the modals as I ran into it yesterday when trying to fix the vaults that 1Password sees on Safari Technology Preview. I hit a modal which I couldn’t use because I couldn’t get to some of the information required. I ended up needing to copy the information I needed to a Note so I could work with everything.

Regarding the zoom controls…I don’t personally think they belong, but what I object to is something that gets used almost never being bound to hotkeys. This is complicated by the fact that 1Password doesn’t have a toolbar, but putting zoom controls on something visual would be better than using hotkeys. I would even be less annoyed by this if that one single assignment of ⌘0 was removed, because that should be something genuinely useful and related to the other numbered hotkeys.

MrC

used almost never being bound to hotkeys

You may not use it, and that's cool. But some of us do, and these binding are so ubiquitous across many apps, that it might be considered a standard set of bindings.

I think you've made your case, and it's clear you don't care for it. But please don't assume that's the case of the rest of us.

mia

I have been a customer of 1Password since v3 and given a lot of shit to AgileBits over the years. It's because this app is so central to my workflow that I actually care enough to stay and complain instead of leaving quickly.

I absolutely Electron apps (coughDiscord for Maccough) . They are slow as shit and clunky, but 1Password has magically pulled it off and not only that has surpassed v7 by leaps and margins. I honestly don't understand all of this hate for the new v8 app. I am not a company shill and will absolutely call out bullshit as I see it but this is by far the version of any versions I have ever used.

@octothorpe88 agilebits has implemented and NAILED your request with the latest version.
You can now adjust the density and zoom level of the app in the Appearance settings. Compact is absolutely perfect on my Mac and PC. I love the consistent interface.

MrC

This is a public forum, read by many different users. As per the Forum Rules & Reminders, let's avoid the profanity.

austin

@MrC fair enough that there’s people who don’t actually care about a Mac-assed app experience. However, the change from ⌘0 meaning "all (filtered) vaults" to "reset zoom" is jarring and should have been seen as a problem well before it was implemented. There are two types of apps where I expect to find zoom bindings and will accept ⌘0 as "reset zoom":

1. Web Browsers (wholeheartedly)
2. Editors (grudgingly)

You know who else implements this bonkers behaviour? Slack. It’s a constant low-level reminder that the people at Slack don’t actually care about the user experience of the people who use their products, because people don’t change the zoom on their chat interfaces frequently if ever. It’s a reminder to people that a Mac-assed experience isn’t even a consideration, much less respect for conventions of differing platforms. (It’s also a constant reminder that, IMO, Slack is a perfect fit for Salesforce because neither company actually gives a damn.)

Mac apps often (but not always) treat ⌘0 as "show the main window". Especially if, like with 1Password, there’s only one window. 1Password used to treat it as "show the All Vaults view". Now it’s "reset zoom". It’s wrong on three counts:

• it no longer feels like 1Password did (and therefore feels like a change for change sake, or because of laziness),
• it no longer feels like a Mac app (and emphasizes the foreign unnatural behaviour of Electron apps)
• it is almost never what the user of the application wants, especially if they’ve gone to the trouble of reducing zoom to, say, 80% in the preferences menu.

Accidental keypresses of bindings that previously meant something else or should mean something else on the platform are simply wrong.

MrC

That’s ok, not everyone will agree with all of the changes and all of decisions made.

We can disagree, without ascribing malicious intent or other character flaws. Life isn’t perfect, software development even less so.

Your passion about the issue is likely well received.

rob

Your passion about the issue is likely well received

Absolutely this. We rely on the passionate and honest feedback we get here to keep us on the right track. Of course we "can’t please all of the people all of the time", but our goal is to make the best password manager for as many people as we can.

this is by far the version of any versions I have ever used

@mia I appreciate your words of support. This just made me smile because the missing word reminds me of those jokes that sound like a compliment until they don't, like "Of all the apps I use, 1Password is one of them." 😄

Ben

Have they said that 1PW 8 on iOS won't be native?

There wasn't much we were able to say about iOS before, but it is available in Early Access now:

1Password 8 for iOS & iPadOS Beta 📱

And from our blog post: it is "written primarily with SwiftUI and Rust." With that said, let's please move the discussion about 1Password 8 for iOS over to our iOS Early Access category so that we can keep the discussion in this thread focused on the desktop apps. 👍️

Ben

rr0ss0rr

I'm trying Mac v8 again now that IOS 8 is available and must say that the Appearance Preference makes a huge difference (Compact 90%). Thanks

Ben

I'm trying Mac v8 again now that IOS 8 is available and must say that the Appearance Preference makes a huge difference (Compact 90%). Thanks

🙌

Ben

TranceMist

I have been a 1Password paid customer since v2. I manually (via keyboard) moved hundreds of my entires form SplashID (cringe) to 1Password before there was an import option. We've been using it across the entire family back when you could only sync via Dropbox (ugh). I've loved it because it was a great 1st class Mac app.

The "design language" of 1Password v8 with Electron is, sigh... sorry guys, garbage. It feels like something a big corporation would do because it met their "corporate objectives" of "cross platform synergies" and "leveraging development assets" and not because they wanted to make the best Mac app possible.

The choice to use Electron on Mac will open the door to a large amount of otherwise loyal users to move to a better more native Mac app when one becomes apparent. It's rather subtle, but visually and ergonomocially the app no longer "feels" pleasant, It "feels" like something to put up with to get the job done. This is not good for you long term.

The addition of the new "Appearance" preferences definitely helps (Compact/90%) to make it less cartoonish, but then they don't apply to the Safari plugin, which still feels like something drawn with a big fat crayon.

The functionality that you're putting into it is great. Although you've taken key functionality away too (like the ability to change the default save-to vault). You should have focused on putting all of the core functionality form v7 into v8 before adding new features.

The visual interface is a big step backwards. I don't like it. And when I look at it I think "Electron" and when I think "Electron" I can't help but cringe. :-(

(sorry that this comes across as so harsh. 1Password is one of my favorite apps. It's sad to see this happen to it)

PeterG_1P

Thanks for the feedback, @TranceMist, and your long-time support for our efforts here. I'm sorry to learn that this has been your experience.

It's hard to respond to criticisms of Electron, broadly writ. Likewise, we fully respect if you feel the app doesn't "feel" right to you, but - in order to make the best app possible - what can we do to improve? Is it just that it's Electron, and you'd prefer it wasn't? If so, that's OK, we've heard it before and that counts as feedback too. Or is there something specific about the visual and tactile experience that you feel doesn't come up to the standard we should meet?

Throughout the Early Access period, we've taken on board suggestions (and criticisms, often passionate ones) about how to make the app more performant, more attractive, and more intuitive. And we'd be happy to pass along to our development team any specifics you'd like to share for consideration as a feature request or improvement as well. This is how we can get the best results possible, which we want to provide for you.

We'll do our best to provide you with many reasons to enjoy the app, both now and in the future - including world-class security, features that are both helpful and really cool, and clean and appealing design. Thanks for letting us know your impressions so far.

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snozdop

I've pretty much given up all hope of AgileBits deciding to go back on their decision to have their own custom cross-platform design language that doesn't fit in anywhere, rather than use the already existing and established design languages of the host operating system. I'm just tolerating the look and feel of the app now, rather than enjoying it - although the fact 1PW is fast helps a little.

any specifics you'd like to share

I'm sure all of these have been noticed before months ago, but they're still evident, so, here goes:

1. Non standard font. Instantly the app sticks out because it doesn't use the OS standard font (San Francisco on Mac)
2. No rubber-banding in scrolling lists. Another standard macOS feature.
3. The standard macOS highlights and accent colour set in the system Appearance preferences are not honoured.
4. Non standard menus, buttons and other UI elements.
5. Inconsistent right-click (contextual menus). Some are custom with icons and are truncated by the app window edges. Some are macOS style (even with the macOS font) but without icons and do extend beyond the window edges.

Over the months, I have seen improvements in some areas however:

1. Scrolling is no longer janky, and the redraw now keeps up with the fastest scrolling speed (even on my 2012 Mac mini).
2. The preferences window is now a proper floating window with the correct macOS style close button appearance and position, although the New Item window is still an old Electron style UI-blocking, mon-movable modal, with X to close top-right.